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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

mjburgess wrote: post #729
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #719

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There's no murder of two million. There's at most, according to Hamas itself, 60,000 dead out of which 10,000 were hamas militants. This is a regular ugly war. If Israel wanted to kill two million, they could've done it already. It seemingly doesn't matter how accurate Israel tried to be, they call genocide either way.

It's incredibly difficult to kill two million people, the easiest -- if not the only practically possible way -- is with mass starvation. Here's an interview with a senior UNICEF worker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAo2j6aih0 You may want to distance yourself from a defense of israel. This is not what you think it is; within a year a very large percentage of gazans will be dead, a very significant majority of al…

That's bullshit. There's plenty of water in Gaza, as well as food. They get external aid all the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGTMN9mgKcc Plenty of open restaurants in Gaza.

Even according to Hamas only 200 died out of starvation, and that number is disputed as well.

This is all Hamas propaganda that everyone believes.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by corimaith »

jcranmer wrote: post #128
beloch wrote: post #87

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Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is…

The thing about the progressive younger generation is that their voting choices have made things progressively worse for themselves in the last 15 years. It's hard to say that the underlying worldview that supplants a anti-Israel position is particularly sustainable domestically long term. To be fair, it's the same thing for foreign policy, the anti-neocons have failed just as bad.

And as for the Right, it's primarily isolationism, but they certainly aren't going to favoring Palestine over Israel anytime. That's already hedged in. At the end of day, it largely goes against of the interests of every actor not aligned with Iran or seeking stability to let Israel fall in favour of Palestine. We do need that hard power when America is retreating from the region.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by nakamoto_damacy »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #733
nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #669

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I used to shame PG for his elitist views. Now I celebrate his moral courage. One man cannot fix everything. Dear PG (I'm sure you don't read HN, but this is yet another echo), As I said on X, your own platform (YCombinator) is still full of hateful bigots who would censor/downvote even the mildest form of speaking against the genocide. Proof: this comment being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism is akin to censorsh…

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"You’re bringing emotion and hunches and your own biases to this more than the reasonable reply." Humian philosophy acknowledges that logic is driven by conviction and justified post hoc. Meaning: if my logic is driven by conviction, so is yours. All logic is, in the end.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by bayindirh »

evang7 wrote: post #645
King-Aaron wrote: post #629

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From a historical, economic, social perspective... Why does Israel hold so much power over the world?

Another possible explanation: Israel is a leading spyware manufacturer (e.g. Pegasus). They are probably involved in 'sensitive' eavesdropping operations world-wide, and quite likely, have data that would scare the world's leaders to even think not supporting Israel.

Isn't that found out that the "alternative" Signal client US Government officials are unofficially using is "backing-up" messages to company's server (probably in Israel).

This is a huge leverage.

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Post by aa-jv »

King-Aaron wrote: post #629
prawn wrote: post #555

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For anyone else not familiar with "anti-BDS": "Anti-BDS laws are legislation that retaliate against those that engage in Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. With regard to the Arab–Israeli conflict, many supporters of the State of Israel have often advocated or implemented anti-BDS laws, which effectively seek to retaliate against people and organizations engaged in boycotts of Israel-affiliated entities." From Wikipe…

From a historical, economic, social perspective... Why does Israel hold so much power over the world?

>Why does Israel hold so much power over the world?

Undeclared and un-identified nukes.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by steeve »

steeve wrote: post #673
dluan wrote: post #525

Seeing PG slowly turn on this issue, from nothing into recognition and now into advocacy has been wild. Presumably because he has kids, and like many parents you understand with your eyes first, and then your heart. PG wields some amount of power in SV, but YC and others are still inextricably tied to what's happening. Thiel was just in Israel with elad gil, rabois, alex karp, joe lonsdale. It's just too much to list…

Hard to put into words how those people act like the devil incarnate and a lot of the scene pretends that this doesn't matter.

The downvote are actually proving my point

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Post by diordiderot »

michaelsshaw wrote: post #736
Gareth321 wrote: post #731

The Chair of this "independent" inquiry is Navi Pillay of South Africa ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_International_Comm... ); the nation which accused Israel of genocide and referred it to the ICJ. The outcome of this inquiry was always going to be highly partisan. The report's definition rests upon statements by key Israeli officials in determining genocidal intent. While the statements are accurate, i…

Amnesty International, The International Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, numerous other human rights organizations and world governments all say the same thing: genocide. To deny this is to say that you believe all of those groups are wrong and it is actually Netanyahu, Trump, Biden and Harris, along with their cronies in congress are correct. It is a position that cannot be defended logically.

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