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Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by spwa4 »

humptybumpty wrote: post #687
manwe150 wrote: post #661

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A couple EU countries bans on Uber seem to date back from 2015-2019, which is slow, but still fairly early as to worldwide adoption per https://dig.watch/trends/uber

Example ban in Finland: https://www.uber.com/fi-/blog/uberpop-tauolle/ After few years of operation, government realised it was serious and pressured Uber to stop taxi operations « Uber pop », until disruption in legislation got through. I used Uber from first year it was here. As the service got popular with young adults and the people took notice and public debate began, the police was instructed to fine Ubers. The…

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And Uber is available in Finland: https://www.uber.com/global/en/r/finland/cities/

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by spwa4 »

stodor89 wrote: post #733
spwa4 wrote: post #574

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Which EU country reacted against Uber's predatory pricing when it was actually happening? Ie. which EU government refused investor money flowing into their economy? The only examples I can find are a few cities, and some of those are in the US. No EU state did, unless I'm missing something. Sure now that it costs them money, they're reacting, making things worse for literally everyone: the taxi drivers, who've been v…

> Which EU country reacted against Uber's predatory pricing when it was actually happening? Bulgaria kicked out Uber for not obeying taxi regulations. Sounds unrelated? Well it used to be a socialist dictatorship and laws are still written in a ham-fisted-yet-vague* way so that (1) you can't realistically obey them and (2) they can be used against anyone state authorities (or their friends) don't like. So what's the…

I can't find news on that, and Uber is available in Bulgaria:

https://www.uber.com/bg/en/

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by safety1st »

utyop22 wrote: post #537
safety1st wrote: post #382

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Nevertheless, a crime is a crime. I'm so over this shift in America's business model. Original Silicon Valley model, and generally the engine of American innovation/growth/wealth equality for 200 years: Come up with a cool technology, build it in your garage, get people to fund it and sell it because it's a better mousetrap. New model: Still come up with a cool idea, still get it funded and sold, but the idea involve…

You said it in one word - it’s corruption. Not creative destruction. But pure corruption.

Creative corruption?

If we were to use an entirely neutral term for it, in the case of something like Uber, really it's the privatization of control. The regulation around taxi cabs was a matter of public policy, Uber brought in its own version of this, broke the laws where it saw fit, spent money to get new laws written, basically the decisionmaking was no longer in the hands of a public institution.

Now there is a fair criticism to be made that the public institutions governing taxi cabs were sclerotic and shitty, but if you trust Uber for one nanosecond to do what's in your best interest when it doesn't align with theirs, you're a fool, and giving a private company such a huge global footprint in what was formerly a public affair is probably going to lead to tears. They absolutely will seek rents, find them and charge them to you sooner or later, that is what's in their DNA as a private company, barring effective regulation this only ends in one way.

Where we are now is we are so deep down the rabbit hole of profit chasing that there is zero interest in maintaining or strengthening our public institutions. Why would you do that? How does it get you paid? It doesn't and everyone thinks society and culture are just big jokes that don't get you paid. So no one really cares to uphold them anymore, everyone's feasting on the corpse of the civil society while it rots.

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by jart »

JustExAWS wrote: post #669
jart wrote: post #666

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My employer is a lot more dependable than the US government. If you trust the overlord you didn't choose more than the one you did, then you might want to rethink your career.

What’s more likely - your company is going to get rid of you in the next five years or the government is going to take away your citizenship? Did you try to get insurance on the open market before 2012 with a pre-existing condition? Every other industrial country in the world has health insurance not tied to your employer. Even smaller countries like Costa Rica and Panama have better more affordable insurance. Yes I’…

I got my job because I had a life threatening illness at the time. My employer saved me when no one else would. After spending all that money saving my life, it'd be a shame if they got rid of me before I had the chance to fully repay their kindness. There are a lot of other good countries where you can go for care. For example, if you have an impressive looking GitHub then Audrey Tang will give you a gold card. That's privileged elite immigrant status and you don't even need a college degree. You get your gold card. You go to Taiwan. The place where some of the greatest people in the world (e.g. Jensen Huang) are from. You're under no obligation to get a job. You get free health care. The ER waits are ~15 mins. If your heart bleeds red instead then the Chinese also say on RedNote that if you're a sick American, then just come on down to China and they'll treat you and take care of you, no matter how bad it is, or how long it's going to take.

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by raxxorraxor »

silisili wrote: post #512
33MHz-i486 wrote: post #400

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i dont know that its such a great thing in the end. Uber/Lyft is 50-100% more expensive now than taxis were before. Theyre entrenched in different ways.

Uber did a great job convincing lay people that taxis were ripoffs and they were a good deal. For some time that was probably true. Now, I see people at the airport walk over to the pickup lot, joining a crowd of others furiously messing with their phones while scanning the area for presumably their driver. All the while the taxis waiting immediately outside the exit door were $2 more expensive, last time I checked.

Depending on the country, they are paid more fairly as well, are insured etc.

The Taxi mafia had to go but Uber and co. are still questionable benefactors.

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by 0dte »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #716
0dte wrote: post #441

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I think western companies will be just fine -- Anthropic is settling because they illegally pirated books from LibGen back in 2021 and subsequently trained models on them. They realized this was an issue internally and pivoted to buying books en masse and scanning them into digital formats, destroying the original copies in the process (they actually hired a former lead in the Google Books project to help them in thi…

>And a federal judge ruled a couple months ago that training on these legally-acquired scanned copies does not constitute fair use -- that the LLM training process is sufficiently transformative. You mean does constitute fair use?

yep, silly me

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Post by triceratops »

mdp2021 wrote: post #505
triceratops wrote: post #341

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Well great so the Internet Archive is off the hook then. Also, at least so far, we don't call computers "someone".

> Archive is off the hook then Probably so, because with "library" I did not mean the "building". It is the decision of the society to make knowledge available. > we don't call computers "someone" We do instead, for this purpose. Why should we not. Anything that can read fits the set. -- Edit: Come up with the arguments, sniper.

> We do instead, for this purpose

Why just that one purpose? Let's pay them a fair wage, deduct income tax and social security, enforce reasonable working hours and conditions etc.

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by GrumpyGoblin »

silisili wrote: post #512
33MHz-i486 wrote: post #400

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i dont know that its such a great thing in the end. Uber/Lyft is 50-100% more expensive now than taxis were before. Theyre entrenched in different ways.

Uber did a great job convincing lay people that taxis were ripoffs and they were a good deal. For some time that was probably true. Now, I see people at the airport walk over to the pickup lot, joining a crowd of others furiously messing with their phones while scanning the area for presumably their driver. All the while the taxis waiting immediately outside the exit door were $2 more expensive, last time I checked.

Uber didn't have to convince anyone, taxis were ripoffs. It didn't even have to always do with money. Taxis asked people where they were going and drove off if it wasn't far enough was a significant issues. Taxis not picking up black people. Many taxis in my town were dirty and and the drivers were jerks or creepy or both. With protections built into law and no competition the industry didn't have to even try to cater to the customer.

The taxi industry sealed it's own death warrant a long time ago. Ride sharing services solved a real problem at the right time. If that cost a bit more, it was well worth it. I won't take a taxi now unless I am forced to.

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Post by snapcaster »

thfuran wrote: post #621
scotty79 wrote: post #348

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It's a sign of rent seeking economy in decline. Rising economies never respect IPs.

IP protections are in the US Constitution. Has the US been in decline since the late 1700s?

Look into how the US industrial economy started. It was "stealing IP" from the english and not respecting copyright. Would be interested if there are any cases in history of rising economies respecting IP and succeeding because in every case I know about they flagrantly disregard it while developing

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by freejazz »

hcs wrote: post #308
greensoap wrote: post #284

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Anthropic literally did exactly this to train its models according to the lawsuit. The lawsuit found that Anthropic didn't even use the pirated books to train its model. So there is that

The lawsuit didn't find anything, Anthropic claimed this as part of the settlement. Companies settle without admission of wrongdoing all the time, to the extent that it can be bargained for.

They stated it in court in their papers for summary judgment on the issue of fair use. My gosh! To pretend like you know what you're talking about but missing that detail?
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