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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by sunaookami »

rs186 wrote: post #412
IshKebab wrote: post #67

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You mean all of Microsoft's direction? Look at how VSCode changelogs have morphed from editing features to 90% AI.

Thank you, this does not get discussed enough on HN. I used to look forward to monthly releases of VSCode and actually read the changelog carefully to see what new features/enhancements I could make use of. These days I just glance and ignore it completely -- almost everything is Copilot, MCP blahblah. Such a disappointment. You would think with all the AI magic, they would deliver more "core editor" features/enhance…

Man this reminds me of the early days of Edge where MS actually made a good browser for a few months and then stuffed it full of bloatware, ads, a crypto wallet (!) and now AI (not even GOOD AI features).

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by eviks »

gmueckl wrote: post #435
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

> They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron.

That's not a cool guy thing

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by sunaookami »

rickette wrote: post #119

Lots of comments here remind me of the time GitHub was purchased by Microsoft. It would be the dead of GitHub. While in fact it got better: GitHub Actions (pretty neat CI system) happend under Microsoft. Free private repos happend under Microsoft. Now this time it could be different. But last time wasn't that bad imho.

Microsoft made the GitHub UI significantly worse by rewriting everything in React. It's now slow and bloated. Copying text from the file viewer is a nightmare. And never ever look at how GitHub Actions work under the hood, you will wish you never became a developer.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

sothatsit wrote: post #680
bsimpson wrote: post #248

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From a product POV, GitHub seems like a solved problem. It's been working well-enough with the current feature set for over a decade, with many companies building themselves on top of its stack. If they stagnate in MS bureaucracy but keep the lights on for push/pull/PRs, that's probably good enough for most people until something completely changes how software is made.

I think GitHub also doesn't have the same vendor lock-in that other companies do. I am very happy with their service, and I wouldn't want to move off of it. But at the same time there are numerous alternatives and it wouldn't be that hard to switch. Because, as you say, it is pretty much a solved problem, and because of that there are several competitors with feature parity at this point.

At this point you are fighting, "Nobody got fired for buying Microsoft." There are viable alternatives on the market, but GitHub is the known quantity for which conversations are required to use something different.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by eitland »

tomalbrc wrote: post #717
sevensor wrote: post #699

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Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence, but I can’t see what the point of the company is beyond that. Enterprise something something maybe. And declining literacy makes Powerpoint unfortunately indispensable.

Lets not pretend like there wouldn't be dozen of quality and actually used software if it wasn't for microsoft existing.

I actively prefer Libre Office.

Yes, Excel is probably a lot better if you use English setup and advanced functions.

For me,

- not having to use Norwegian for formulas (my work machine has Norwegian setup and Excel insists on using Norwegian formulas)

and

- not having it trying to find something it can misinterpret as a date, preferably some random place in a list of thousands of items

makes it worth it.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by eviks »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #511
Arch-TK wrote: post #449

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Microsoft continues to produce absolute garbage (except now it's also adware) and continues to utilise aggressive tactics to gain market share. They deserve plenty of hate.

I can agree anti-consumer behaviour is still ingrained in parts of Microsoft, as a dormant beast waiting to be Ballmer-ized for a new round. But again, why the baseless argument based on hate? You can (for example) de-bloat Windows 11 out from the telemetry and annoying widgets nobody uses, including the invasive Copilot. After de-bloating, it's a decent OS on its own. I should have the right to have a clean Windows…

How do you debloat Windows 11 of the built in copy of the whole browser?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jwrallie »

nobleach wrote: post #397
sho_hn wrote: post #226

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> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

If that's what you "mostly" remember, your memory is awfully selective. It's totally fine for you to have a bias, but you're overlooking decades of massively successful products and services. Having owned plenty of Thinkpads (Linux), Dells(Windows and Linux) and plenty of Macbook Pros, I can say, Apple's superiority of hardware is so far beyond the rest. Having an OS with a BSD-ish experience is really nice as well.…

I don’t get your comment, do you mean superiority in what? Are you comparing operating systems or hardware? The combined experience?

If you asked me 2 years ago I would say something different about Linux than I would said today, because I’m running a different distribution with a different desktop environment and that changed my experience completely, even though I’m running on basically the same hardware.

I run Linux in Apple hardware too, how does that rank in your comparison?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by nothrabannosir »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

Windows Phone was solid. Actual innovation in mobile UI.

Commercial success hasn’t been an argument for technical supremacy since Betamax.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by nothrabannosir »

thiht wrote: post #580
yencabulator wrote: post #496

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> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open. Try using VSCodium legally with the same functionality as VSCode; remote development, Python language server, C++ debugging, and so on. People who think Microsoft is doing open source work for the good of their hearts are still in for a lesson in EEE. https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/exte…

These are extensions. No one is preventing OSS communities from developing their own remote dev, Python, and C++ extensions. The VSCode extension API allows it. There are actually some efforts being made to do it.

You’re describing the E in EEE
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