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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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I imagined that, if nothing else, they'd have an interest in the next generation of Gazans not growing up with even more hatred towards Israel than the previous one. Which is kind of hard given the cruelty they are currently subjected to. That is unless the plan is that there won't be a next generation of Gazans.

I think you've guessed their plan.

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So who will be in power? You've got to remember that Hamas was democratically elected back in 2006, and its main rival Fatah isn't exactly pro-Israel either. Given the circumstances, I don't think there could possibly be a democratically elected government in Gaza which is pro-Israel or even neutral-Israel. Your only option is a puppet dictatorship government installed by Israel - but that's not really going to impro…

> , I don't think the average French citizen in 2025 loses any sleep over it. If they can live with the risk, why does Israel require absolutes? No, we do not lose sleep about that. We have also been at war with England, Italy and Spain a lot. Especially England. We keep a close eye on them still that the Hastings battle is not forgotten. But on the serious side, these concerns are so remote compared with the situati…

In fairness here, germany and france have been at peace for something like 80 years, most of that a fairly friendly peace. The people who remember a time when Germany was the enemy are basically dead by now. 80 years buys a lot of by-gones

Hell, maybe Germany and Israel make a good comparison here. The jews who lived in mandatory palestine during WW2 were certainly afraid of Germany (and rightfully so), but i don't think Israel loses much sleep over the modern state of Germany.

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Hamas isn' in control of the west bank. That hasn't gone so well for the Palestinians either. Google "Great March of Return" if you want to learn about what happenned when palestinians tried to protest peacefully.

if you will read wikipage of great march of return, it will tell you that from first day it wasn't peaceful

well.. straight from the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_...

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At least 189 Palestinians were killed between 30 March and 31 December 2018.[28]: 6 [29][30] An independent United Nations commission said that at least 29 out of the 189 killed were militants.[5] Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and live ammunition.[31] According to Robert Mardini, head of Middle East for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), more than 13,000 Palestinians were wounded as of 19 June 2018. The majority were wounded severely, with some 1,400 struck by three to five bullets.[32] No Israelis were physically harmed from 30 March to 12 May, until one Israeli soldier was reported as slightly wounded on 14 May,[9] the day the protests peaked. The same day, 59 or 60 Palestinians were shot dead at twelve clash points along the border fence.[33]

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yea, seems like it was the israelis who weren't peaceful. sorry if we're all starting to see a pattern.

edit: yes, 29 militants out of 189 killed and 130000 wounded. even at the most sympathetic take, Israelis come out looking like a bunch of sociopaths.

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Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

The settlers been at this for a long, long time. It was hard for me to understand their perspective as well, because surely they most be seeing what they do as something good, like everyone else. There is a BBC documentary that goes into more depth, but a short snippet of the documentary can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrdldVhfbaU which includes a short interview with Daniella Weiss, a Orthodox Zio…

the BBC is not unbiased in this (or anything), so I would ignore any "documentary" aired by them.

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if you will read wikipage of great march of return, it will tell you that from first day it wasn't peaceful

well.. straight from the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... ``` At least 189 Palestinians were killed between 30 March and 31 December 2018.[28]: 6 [29][30] An independent United Nations commission said that at least 29 out of the 189 killed were militants.[5] Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and live ammunition.[31] According to Robert Mardini, head of Middle East for the Internation…

29 killed militants in peaceful march of return ? you seems to be contradicting yourself.

you also seems to skipped the beginning of article. for example, day 1 of peaceful march of return:

Hundreds of young Palestinians, however, ignored warnings by the organizers and the Israeli military to avoid the border zone.[74] Some began throwing stones and Molotov cocktails, to which Israel responded by declaring the Gaza border zone a closed military zone and opening fire at them.[55] The events of the day were some of the most violent in recent years.[75] In one incident, two Palestinian gunmen approached the fence, armed with AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenades, and exchanged fire with IDF soldiers. They were killed and their bodies were recovered by the IDF.

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If they were 10% as bad as their opposition Gaza would have been Arab-free for decades now.

Not sure why you were downvoted. Though it's a disgustingly poor excuse to say "at least we're not as bad as the Nazis" in justifying your own country's crimes against humanity, it also gives a bit of perspective when people do actually compare the modern Israeli state's violence with the savagery of the political system that provoked its formation.

Boy did this get downvoted. Truly folks, if any of you really believe the modern Israeli state to be in any way comparable to Nazi Germany, I suggest you go read a fucking history book or two in detail. I'm not defending Israel here either. The Netenyahoo (and he is a murderous, corrupt yahoo indeed) government has long since crossed the lines of defensibility, even for someone who has generally been a strong proponent of Israel's right to national defense, and an opponent of giving the Palestinian political organizations way too many moral free passes.

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What exactly is your argument here? Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries, therefore, Jews can treat Palestinians like subhumans?

My argument is that people seem to get very worked up when the Jews do something, but basically nobody cares about other similar or even worse things done by other people. I suspect this is most likely because of antisemitism (not that every anti-Israel person is an antisemite, but that the movement would not have become so prominent without a large core of dedicated antisemites).

What I don't really understand, as an outsider, aren't the arabs semitic too? Why doesn't the word antisemitism include the hatred toward the arabs?

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Iraqi, Moroccan, Yemeni, Tunisian, Algerian, and Syrian Jewish citizens of Israel cannot in fact "simply pull their 2nd or 3rd passports and go back to where they came from", and this notion that every Israeli has a "3rd passport" (or, for that matter, a 2nd) is itself an ethnic slur.

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Jewish people were chased out of Morocco by mobs wielding guns and lead pipes. There were actual pogroms. I don't know what you're trying to say with your last sentence but I think we can probably tie things off at "literally every single jew can be traced".

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They all already completed that over the past 75 years, there aren't any Jews left in those countries anymore.

they left willingly. Iran still has jews and a grand Rabbi. Many Jews moved to israel for economic reasons.

They did not leave willingly.

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Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

but thats the thing. it IS good for the settlers and it IS something that israel is actively promoting in its own self interest. this settler stuff isnt a mistake or an oversight
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