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My wife and daughter seem to be very receptive to dark patterns. It's about education and understanding but you also need to care. They don't. Alas.
Same here. I did spark some interest in my family when I sent them this UI Test [0] We talked about it on hacker h news awhile back[1] [0]: https://games.productartistry.com/games/dark-patterns [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42737778
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That's fair, but the number of people who don't have automatic app updates is clearly miniscule, not really relevant for this consideration. I do grant that web is likely more up to date. But only because they can ship immediately, without the app store review process. Technically web could also be slower to release, nothing guarantees web freshness.
It's old stats and - coming from Android authority - the response group is literate when it comes to Android phones but from their 2020 survey 35% claimed to have auto updates of. https://www.androidauthority.com/auto-update-apps-google-pla... Then, on a worldwide scale, you can see that a lot of people are running unsupported Android versions. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/android Yes, there is…
Sounds like it would be higher than I expect, but I still claim it can not be more than fractions of a percent. Actively toggling a setting like is definitely esoteric behaviour even for a power user, never mind the large masses of smartphone users.
Unsupported Android version is not related to old app versions, Google Play will still work.
I do grant that web is more likely to be up to date than an app. Me claiming that it depends on the developer was just being pedantic: technically it depends on the developers and their release practices, but likely it's the web version that is more up to date.
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#747At AutoTempest we resisted making an app for years, because anything that a hypothetical app could do, we could do with the website. And in my opinion, when searching for cars, it's more convenient to be in your browser where you can easily open new tabs, bookmark results, etc. And for years, it was our most requested feature, by far. We had instructions for how to pin the site to your home screen, and would explain…
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Do you have an iPhone? Safari for iOS deletes all cookies older than a week unless you add the site to your home screen.
Whoa, is that right, I somehow never knew this. Why does it do that, does it still make sense if 3rd party cookies are disabled? And is there a way to disable it apart from the add to home screen?
To make web app experience poor so devs will sign up for paid dev accounts, give Apple editorial control, give Apple 30% of gross, use Apple payment system, use Apple advertising, etc...
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Exactly, web apps are superior in most ways to mobile apps for the user experience, but only if vendors support the web and stop actively trying to make it like apps are the better option. The preference for apps is a learned behavior, not something fundamental. The vast majority of people with real understanding would prefer the web
This seems like an extremely biased opinion. PWAs are only as good of a user experience as the developer programs it to be. The average local TV news affiliate website spends 5MB-20MB of bandwidth within a minute of downloading 1 page. My last iOS app was only 5MB shipped and only consumes a few KB of bandwidth per session. There are massive convenience features that native apps support which aren’t available to brow…
Bad software is bad software. "Native" apps can be bad too.
Most of the difference you see is intentionally created by Apple, after they pivoted away from using web apps on phones.
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Must be hard to understand or something? The scope of the problem is much larger. If there is no "let's not use the app" movement and if there was it wouldn't be big enough to pick up on the radar. We have bigger things to worry about as the shit is oozing out of everything.
They are localized, and not enough to overcome the migration Apathy. Reddit in 2023 was a great example of a high profile boycott that ultimately failed (in terms of impacting revenue. You can definitely argue brain drain). >We have bigger things to worry about as the shit is oozing out of everything. Yes, but "Tech bad/greedy" is about as far as we can push on HN before it becomes "too political" and and people/bots…
I haven't put any effort in writing long well-researched comments since that time. I wouldn't dare put more than 2 references in a comment here. 4 would be pushing it.
As if nothing interesting was written before about anything?