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Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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My wife and daughter seem to be very receptive to dark patterns. It's about education and understanding but you also need to care. They don't. Alas.

Same here. I did spark some interest in my family when I sent them this UI Test [0] We talked about it on hacker h news awhile back[1] [0]: https://games.productartistry.com/games/dark-patterns [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42737778

That's neat! Thanks! I also like his other applications.

https://games.productartistry.com/

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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post #727

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That's fair, but the number of people who don't have automatic app updates is clearly miniscule, not really relevant for this consideration. I do grant that web is likely more up to date. But only because they can ship immediately, without the app store review process. Technically web could also be slower to release, nothing guarantees web freshness.

It's old stats and - coming from Android authority - the response group is literate when it comes to Android phones but from their 2020 survey 35% claimed to have auto updates of. https://www.androidauthority.com/auto-update-apps-google-pla... Then, on a worldwide scale, you can see that a lot of people are running unsupported Android versions. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/android Yes, there is…

To get any relevant number we'd have to check some popular app and see the versions their active users are running. That would give a good estimate of the number of people without auto updates.

Sounds like it would be higher than I expect, but I still claim it can not be more than fractions of a percent. Actively toggling a setting like is definitely esoteric behaviour even for a power user, never mind the large masses of smartphone users.

Unsupported Android version is not related to old app versions, Google Play will still work.

I do grant that web is more likely to be up to date than an app. Me claiming that it depends on the developer was just being pedantic: technically it depends on the developers and their release practices, but likely it's the web version that is more up to date.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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This is a bit off topic, but mobile first has caused some websites to not support the desktop version at all. They say there are not many users access them from PCs. I'm very shocked that they just have decided to end the desktop version support because of current # of visitors, even though they have given superior experience through the desktop version. These days I feel like our window to look around the world getting smaller. I have a 32 inch monitor but to shop something, I have to use my 6.8 inch phone.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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At AutoTempest we resisted making an app for years, because anything that a hypothetical app could do, we could do with the website. And in my opinion, when searching for cars, it's more convenient to be in your browser where you can easily open new tabs, bookmark results, etc. And for years, it was our most requested feature, by far. We had instructions for how to pin the site to your home screen, and would explain…

Is it because apps are usually faster? Milliseconds make a difference in UX.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Do you have an iPhone? Safari for iOS deletes all cookies older than a week unless you add the site to your home screen.

Whoa, is that right, I somehow never knew this. Why does it do that, does it still make sense if 3rd party cookies are disabled? And is there a way to disable it apart from the add to home screen?

> Why does it do that

To make web app experience poor so devs will sign up for paid dev accounts, give Apple editorial control, give Apple 30% of gross, use Apple payment system, use Apple advertising, etc...

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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post #627

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Exactly, web apps are superior in most ways to mobile apps for the user experience, but only if vendors support the web and stop actively trying to make it like apps are the better option. The preference for apps is a learned behavior, not something fundamental. The vast majority of people with real understanding would prefer the web

This seems like an extremely biased opinion. PWAs are only as good of a user experience as the developer programs it to be. The average local TV news affiliate website spends 5MB-20MB of bandwidth within a minute of downloading 1 page. My last iOS app was only 5MB shipped and only consumes a few KB of bandwidth per session. There are massive convenience features that native apps support which aren’t available to brow…

Meanwhile, I have an app on my phone I'm forced to use that literally downloads HTML pages over the internet to display to me.

Bad software is bad software. "Native" apps can be bad too.

Most of the difference you see is intentionally created by Apple, after they pivoted away from using web apps on phones.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Must be hard to understand or something? The scope of the problem is much larger. If there is no "let's not use the app" movement and if there was it wouldn't be big enough to pick up on the radar. We have bigger things to worry about as the shit is oozing out of everything.

They are localized, and not enough to overcome the migration Apathy. Reddit in 2023 was a great example of a high profile boycott that ultimately failed (in terms of impacting revenue. You can definitely argue brain drain). >We have bigger things to worry about as the shit is oozing out of everything. Yes, but "Tech bad/greedy" is about as far as we can push on HN before it becomes "too political" and and people/bots…

In the early days a comment came with a footer with links to the authors little homepage, FOSS project or startup business. Killing this also killed organic linking. This idea that all self promotion is evil was the greatest mistake. That Google went along with it and even promoted nofollow puzzled me greatly.

I haven't put any effort in writing long well-researched comments since that time. I wouldn't dare put more than 2 references in a comment here. 4 would be pushing it.

As if nothing interesting was written before about anything?

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