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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Reminder every international student that attends Harvard is a national one that cannot. Trump is simply saying let's focus on our own people.

If that was the case, this would be applied to every university. You can't be that naive to believe Trump wants to focus on our own people given how he's ravaged social safety nets.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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post #714

Reminder every international student that attends Harvard is a national one that cannot. Trump is simply saying let's focus on our own people.

If that was the case, this would be applied to every university. You can't be that naive to believe Trump wants to focus on our own people given how he's ravaged social safety nets.

What social safety net has he ravaged and how? Please remind me.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is, this was the advertisement. If you thought it looked great, you signed up for it. And if you didn't vote for this, but you voted for something ridiculous like banning around dozen people from playing sports, well, I have the same amount of sympathy for you too.

Yes and no. It seems obvious it was the advertisement but I know people who voted for Trump that are otherwise fairly liberal. They were either grossly uninformed, misinformed, or simply _didn't believe_ the reporting about various issues. The last is the most frustrating to me because there is a hint of the truth there - the stuff reported about Trump _is_ insane. They're doing things so openly and brazenly that the…

I'm not buying it. The guy was president for 4 years, tried to steal an election, and before all of that, challenged Obamas eligibility based entirely on his name and the color of his skin.

Being "grossly uninformed" is no excuse anymore.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Academic standards are kind of irrelevant when it comes to Harvard undergraduate admissions. Harvard is a tiny university at the absolute top of the prestige hierarchy. As far as they are concerned, every serious (non-legacy/donor) applicant is a truly exceptional student. At least to the extent it can be determined from the admission materials and a short interview. They could choose randomly from all good enough ap…

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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The truly depressing thing is, a lot of people are actually happy about this action. How did things get so bad, so quickly? People who lived under authoritarian regimes have long said that things move slowly at first, but after an inflection point, get real bad, real fast. It's one thing to understand that intellectually, quite another to witness it first hand. Hopefully, the judiciary will block this particular madn…

> How did things get so bad, so quickly? It didn't. Conservatives in this country have explicitly been headed this direction since they decided to never let another Nixon happen. Not that they would prevent another criminal Republican. But they would ensure that Republicans are never punished for behavior like this. It led to Fox News and Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson, etc. The writing has been on the…

I believe that this is entirely the correct answer.

If anyone has any counterarguments, I would genuinely love to read them.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Remember when Trump said you should get a green card with your diploma? Wasn't even a year ago: https://x.com/DKThomp/status/1925631602589151325#m

I do find it kind of absurd that we invite people to come study in the USA, let them work on a visa at our corporations to gain experience, and then send them home.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about the percentage of Harvard international students who fall into this category, it's about the percentage of students in this category who go to Harvard.

Also fairly low. There's plenty of high-prestige institutions in the world.

As someone from europe I'd say Harvard and MIT are the #1 prestige institutions, and a lot of people will not settle for less.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that was the case, this would be applied to every university. You can't be that naive to believe Trump wants to focus on our own people given how he's ravaged social safety nets.

What social safety net has he ravaged and how? Please remind me.

I probably should correct my tenses. I was referring to his "Big Beautiful Bill.", which only a Republican controlled senate stands in the way of.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Remember when Trump said you should get a green card with your diploma? Wasn't even a year ago: https://x.com/DKThomp/status/1925631602589151325#m

I do find it kind of absurd that we invite people to come study in the USA, let them work on a visa at our corporations to gain experience, and then send them home.

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

This is an explanation from my department chair which I've expanded. In the context of a university, there are four main power groups - the alumni, the faculty, the students, and the board of trustees. (Within each group of course are subfactions.) The actual power balance between these groups is never precisely certain (it's an unobservable "latent variable"). Whenever large events happen that involve the university…

> This implies that the strength of that edge of the power graph is much weaker than it was expected to be

Funnily, 2 Harvard profs have written the easiest way for me to point out that the media / Information economy in America is broken. (Network Propaganda)

Which would explain why Alumni dont have power, or for that matter any experts. This is fundamentally why Trump is in power, and why decisions that have zero connection to scientific fact or even reality.

Either everyone starts talking in terms of the reality being litigated on Fox and other related networks on the Right, or people find a way to actually engage in a fair debate. Democracy is fundamentally conversation.

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