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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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People did not vote to give Elon Musk absolute, unaccountable access to the most sensitive machineries of government.

They've fired and hobbled all of the inspectors general and parties that are supposed to monitor and hold them accountable. This is nothing short of a security nightmare and insider threat of the highest degree.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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post #245

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#743

So how is this any different from all the random employees who might have access to this data as part of their jobs? I would understand if there was this sort of scrutiny over every federal employee but as it stands I never know who has access to my data and if they can be trusted.

Yeah I more concerned “God Mode” is a thing that exists. One would hope that these systems are heavily locked down but my experience maintaining legacy systems makes me think “God mode” is a thing you get because you have to run a quarterly report and it is too much of a hassle setting up the correct permissions.

Anyone who has ever had root on a database server has that access. There's no technology available that prevents the people responsible for correcting failing RAID volumes from reading blocks from /dev/sda. In theory, yes, there are DRM technologies that prevent you from getting a copy of a song Spotify stores in your cache. But those technologies are not used on multi-gigabyte databases.

The only thing that protects that data is professional ethics, and in extremely paranoid (i.e. airgapped) environments, metal detectors.

Sincerely, God Mode on x DBs, where x > 1.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#744

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

> security reasons later What about security reasons now? The federal government includes the military. Giving DOGE “God mode” on the federal government is a national security risk right now.

Now is definitely relevant, however the ones steering the ship don't care about now. Someone will care later, that's all I personally know for sure.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#745
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Well, it is a government agency tasked with audits. Why shouldn't it have root access?

No, it is not a government agency.

No, it is not tasked with audits. It is not performing any audit before its actions, nor is it producing anything resembling an audit.

No, audits do not require root access. And in fact root access (the ability to change data) contradicts audit best practices.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#747

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

Yes. Even if DOGE is operating without any ill intent, and I don't think they have ill intent, the possibility of errors alone is massive and they need to slow down. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/17/trum...

Well when you have a white supremacist on the dodge team (confirmed by his comments on social media) working in this team, and you know white supremacists are very hateful... then I would assume there's obviously risk.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#749

At my first gig, I had "god" level access to our production database. All I learned is that nobody should have this level of access unless it is some sort of temporary break glass situation. It is extremely dangerous and even experienced engineers can cause irreparable data loss or some other bad outcome. In our case, some engineer accidentally sent around 10,000 invoices to customers that shouldn't have gotten them.…

Ah, I remember a time 30 years ago when I logged accidentally into the PROD database (forgot to add the suffix "1" to the connection ID), thinking it was a Dev instance, and then issued a "truncate table CUSTOMERS"... the reaction came within 75 seconds - and restore from backing took several hours.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#750

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before even debating the effectiveness of this audit, we have to address the fundamental problem: Elon Musk has no legal authority to be conducting this in the first place. The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is not a real government agency and Musk has not been confirmed by the Senate or given formal oversight. It's illegal and unconstitutional. Beyond that, yes, large-scale government audits have been do…

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As tends to be the case, the ruling is nuanced.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-scores-win-suit-chall...

FTA: In her decision, Chutkan wrote that the states "legitimately call into question what appears to be the unchecked authority of an unelected individual and an entity that was not created by Congress and over which it has no oversight." But the judge said the states had not shown why they were entitled to an immediate restraining order.

That doesn't mean Elon was exonerated, it just means that an immediate restraining order won't be issued.

> So in good faith, i'd ask you, what is your solution to solve the fraud issue?

The question cannot be asked in good faith because it frames the discussion in a manner that suggests the concern here is one of fraud, however what we've witnessed by DOGE instead is arbitrary and partisan firings, as well as brazen falsehoods and mischaracterizations about the nature of what is being cut and the total numbers of what is being saved (by several orders of magnitude in some cases).

I don't feel the need to discuss an earnest plan about cutting fraud and waste because that is not what is on the table right now with DOGE. Further, I don't see any evidence presented to explain why the GAO and other bipartisan efforts to curtail fraud are regarded as ineffective. Simply stating "fraud still exists" is not an honest rebuttal, since fraud will always exist.

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