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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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They declared that the DOGE stuff is official presidential records and thus not subject to FOIA. https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-doge-records-public-inf... Sometimes, the simplest explanation is the right one: they're fascists and the rules are not applicable to them.

Presidential Records Act is quite strong about capturing all records & releasing them. But after a 5 year delay. During Trump 1 there was quite a habit of ripping up papers by the president. So there were some dudes hired to go take the ripped up papers and tape them back together. Really looking forwards to seeing some of those next year! https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filin... I suspect that…

The National Archives and Records Administration doesn't currently have an Archivist. Trump fired the previous head a week and a half ago. The deputy head then retired over the weekend. It is currently sort of headed by Marco Rubio. He put Jim Byron, the President & CEO of the Richard Nixon Foundation in charge of it part time.

Trump seems to have it out for NARA since they originally reported the missing classified documents that Trump refused to return. I would not expect records to be kept in the manner they have been in previous administrations.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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I'm not defending Twitter or their policy in any way (disclaimer: I left Twitter the moment Elmo took over. I despise his hypocrisy and his fascist ideas) But this could be a "legitimate f-up". Normally, most of these unsafe-url protection and detection is automated in something with the scale of Twitter. Just like URL-shorteners often are (were?) "seemingly randomly" banned, because a portion of the shared urls are…

"Mark messaged Elon: Pls help me curb the growth of the biggest competitor of Whatsapp?" Didn't they wanted to beat each other up in the public? I would have prefered that concept and not shady deals. (and while it is of course possible, I really doubt it in this case)

> Didn't they wanted to beat each other up in the public?

Isn't that like ultimate bro code for "I love you man"?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Yes, the head of the department of government efficiency published this earlier today.

No link to their statement? And please don't link to X. I don't have an account so I cannot read X threads, which is very surprising because the owner said he really wanted to make it so logged-out users could read X easily, but then changed his mind because he wanted to make more money. Sounds like a really untrustworthy person to me!

Ho hum.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Yes, the head of the department of government efficiency published this earlier today.

Is it wise to credulousy believe everything your government tells you without source data?

The breakdown is readily available and even the Guardian read about the issue 10 years ago

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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I saw your comment and saw it getting downvoted or flagged but it is useful to have a discussion so that others similarly inclined can potentially learn something that they obviously don't already understand. I reproduce that comment here in case it somehow disappears. >i voted for that, i voted for the destruction of the federal government because it's bankrupting us by stealing our money If you're concerned about t…

> The Inspectors General and their OIG employees are the federal employees with the mandate to identify waste, fraud, and abuse in every federal program regardless of size. There are more than 1 million 150-159 year old Americans that receive social security and America is funding trans comic books for children in Peru. Do you think the OIG was doing a good job?

I'm gonna break this down into pieces that are easier for you to swallow.

>There are more than 1 million 150-159 year old Americans that receive social security...

Your powers of reasoning are taking a siesta if you believe this. It begs the question of how many people not only in America, but globally, are in the age group 150-159 years old? You claim that there are more than one million in the US alone.

I have worked with lots of demographic data and I have seen zero evidence that there are any people with a clinically detectable pulse on planet earth in that age group. How did you arrive at such an unreasonable number that is entirely unsupported by any demographic evidence available publicly?

The answer of course is that you musk've listened to or read about a post your newest right-wing jesus made on his misinformation network or at a white house back-patting session and, lacking any deductive reasoning skills of your own to help parse the post you just took it to be true since it was easier than thinking rationally about a collection of words. Minimum energy expended.

Though I have seen posts on HN addressing age issues of Social Security recipients, I haven't been following this part of the dysfunction very closely so I had to do some digging to try to understand where the idea that anyone might be that old came from.

It appears that musk posted a table of ages of recipients in the SS database where the Death field was set to FALSE implying that they might be alive and receiving benefits. He had some white house appearance where he stated that people over the age of 150 were receiving benefits.

Since all that happened the issue has been debated rigorously. It is likely not smart to conclude that anyone over the age of 150 is receiving SS benefits, anywhere. Instead it turns out that this is a known issue, detected in audits back in 2023 which were designed to detect and eliminate fraud in the benefits payment system at the SSA. The OIG auditor at the time, appointed by Trump during his first administration, Gail Ennis, took on the task of identifying and quantifying the problem of SS payees whose personal information in the SS databases implied an age greater than the maximum that could reasonably be expected. That audit report is here [0].

[0] https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf

On completion of the audit, it was concluded that correcting the database would waste money and effort so instead, new methods were introduced to help eliminate payments to non-qualifying recipients through a couple of initiatives called "Do Not Pay" and "Earnings After Death".

Basically your DoGE people didn't discover anything that the SS administration had not already discovered but it does serve as rage bait for those like yourself who refuse to do any independent research to help themselves understand whether something they heard is true or false.

There's a bit of additional info that may also help you. The acting Inspector General of the SSA at the time, Gail Ennis, later retired from her position because of charges that she obstructed a DoJ investigation into her own ethics violations. [1] Her retirement letter if I read it right is right here. [2] She toots her own horn quite a bit and in reading that, which I assume you will since it is only a few short paragraphs with no disturbing content, she provides a short summary to the reader about how an OIG office operates. As a citizen it is useful to know that these people are on our side. She served under two presidents, being appointed by Trump and retained by Biden. That illustrates a commitment by both administrations to the work that the SSA-OIG was doing during her term.

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

[2] https://oig.ssa.gov/news-releases/2024-06-05-letter-from-ssa...

Anyway, let's move on now while I still have you in the audience.

>...and America is funding trans comic books for children in Peru.

I work on cars a lot so I had to put this into context. Seeing how you are feeding on the rage bait I decided that these comics were not trade school training for automotive techs in Peru. Lucky guess for me I'm sure.

This whole blurb of misinformation can evidently be attributed, of course, to the White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, who in an interview after USAID was shuttered, [3] evidently got some facts crossed in her memory banks causing some people in the audience to see red again and shout at the sky about government waste in USAID programs. According to reports by FactCheck.org [4] the claims that she made about USAID's funding of several things were false in 3 of 4 claims.

Only one of the projects was funded by USAID, the others were funded by the US Dept of State, including the comic book.

If you dig into that looking for facts you will discover that not only did the comic book in question not have a trans character but it won an award in Peru. The comic book designer ultimately produced three comics for distribution in Peru, none of which used transsexual characters though the second one did have a gay guy as the main character hero at the request of the State Department. The total cost of this comic edition is documented here [5] but in case you are already burnt out with this wall of words, it cost $32000, and was paid to the Florida artist who did the work of producing the three comics for the DoS.

[3] https://www.c-span.org/program/public-affairs-event/white-ho...

[4] https://www.factcheck.org/2025/02/sorting-out-the-facts-on-w...

[5] https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_SPE50022CA0009_19...

>Do you think the OIG was doing a good job?

At this point I think it is obvious to anyone still reading where each of our individual biases lay.

As an arm of government charged by Congress with detecting fraud, waste, and abuse of federal money disbursements through any agency that dispenses money I think that OIGs are a vital component for accountability in federal programs. They have the responsibility and the ability to investigate anyone in their department at any level who receives federal money for any purpose. That includes the department heads and all staff under them, not just members of the general public, etc.

You will never know of some of the things that OIG auditors uncover that are never prosecuted though evidence to convict is there. In many cases, the subject being investigated has deep connections that shield them from accountability. In other cases the recoverable amount of fraud and waste does not meet a threshold for prosecution and the result is that the person or group committing the fraud loses their position and in the future is barred from any positions that would allow them access to federal funds.

The OIG and all the audit staff are frequently working simultaneously on multiple audits within their assigned regions. Each person involved must learn and know all of the program guidelines and in some cases the programs being audited have been operating for more than a decade and the program has received money in several budget phases with each infusion potentially having a different set of guidelines based on how and what Congress decided to allocate.

All things considered here I think you were a little fish swimming in search of food somewhere in the Sea of Misinformation which I can assure you is located between the west coast of Florida and the east coast of Texas. You're hungry for something delicious but will take whatever the other little fish around you leave. On the surface of this Sea of Misinformation we find fishermen, trolling for hungry fishies, their hooks securing morsels of rage bait knowing this is a preferred delicacy guaranteed to send their gullible quarry into a feeding frenzy.

It may be too late for you to escape the baited hook as it appears that the angler has already set the hook and landed you.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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> No one knew Musk would be running amok dismantling government institutions like a rabid dog Trump approval ratings are at a high. His supporters are clearly happy with what’s going on. The question was quite simple, it was about why anyone would use X. There are at least 60 million people that are happy with what is going on and like to be on X, which is an echo chamber of what they like. Nothing about what I said…

This is all ignoring that we live in a world almost completely dominated by disinformation. The media have clearly aligned themselves to not report on whats actually happening. Right wing supporters get a carefully curated "view" of whats going on. Left wing media pushes outrage over ever minuscule detail while purposefully obfuscating whats really going on. > This is exactly the type of outcome Trump supporters were…

The sky is still falling?

I especially like the part about the media not reporting on what's actually happening.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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There obviously are problems with freedom of speech in Europe. Everyone knows it.

Tell me more. I live here and have never encountered a situation where I was not allowed to express my opinions in a systematic way. So I don't know but would be delighted to

This is cute because it needs the UK to not be in EU in order to not immediately get a guffaw.

I think the French might have some quibbles about how free their speech is.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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It might simply mean your opinions fall in the narrow band of views that are permitted to be expressed. It proves nothing about freedom of speech in general. Even in North Korea, people are allowed to freely express their love for their Dear Leader. Those who express a different view are swiftly disposed of. If you love Dear Leader you could live your entire life believing that you and everyone else has free speech,…

AfD is a Nazi party, and nobody's silencing them, despite overwhelming opposition in all EU countries. If you listen to EU parliament speeches, there's all kinds of radical political views being shared during debates. Vance came to Europe to peddle US culture wars and got laughed out.

AfD the extreme right wing nazi party helmed by a lesbian that is married to a brown woman?

Are you sure you're using all of these words correctly?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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> Then you do not have free speech Neither do you, unless you redefined it to be the super narrow description that you gave. So you can freely be censored but keep believing you have freedom. You're the poster child of how europeans imagine usa citizens.

Governments can't censor what their citizens say. That's the only protection covered in the US constitution. Private citizens and companies can censor. Twitter can have rules of conduct or terms of use, for example, and you have to play by their rules when posting on their service. The government isn't involved at all (twitter files not withstanding).

I understand how it works. I'm arguing you guys keep saying you have this "freedom of speech" when in fact you have absolutely nothing.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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> Then you do not have free speech Neither do you, unless you redefined it to be the super narrow description that you gave. So you can freely be censored but keep believing you have freedom. You're the poster child of how europeans imagine usa citizens.

I guess.. it must be shocking to you? Seemingly absurd perhaps. You can't say what you want in a shopping mall. They can decide who gets to stay in their premises, and for whatever reason they can eject you. All the free speech cases, have been about government stopping speech. Whether its about deceny laws, or sedition - its always been the government vs a person / corporation. So yeah - these have been the rights y…

> That is the operating definition of free speech that has worked in America since I started working in this space.

It hasn't worked. But you're too set in "USA IS PERFECT!" mindset to objectively think about it.

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