The very idea that OAI scrapes the entire internet and ignore individual rights and thats ok, but if another company takes the output data from their model, thats a gross violation of the law / TOS - that very idea is evil.
OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
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#742I lol'd, from the DeepSeek news release[1]: "Pushing the boundaries of open AI!"
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#743OpenAI is taking the position similar to that if you sell a cook book, people are not allowed to teach the recipes to their kids, or make better versions of them. That is absurd. Copyright law is designed to strike a balance between two issues. One the one hand, the creator’s personality that’s baked into the specific form of expression. And on the other hand, society’s interest in ideas being circulated, improved an…
Just to play devil's advocate, OAI can argue that they spent great effort creating and procuring annotated data. Such datasets are indeed their secret, and now DS gets them for free by distilling OAI's output. Besides, OAI's EULA explicitly forbids users from using the output of their API for model training. I'm not saying that OAI is right, of course. Just to present OAI's point of view.
So a bank robber that manages to steal from Fort Knox gets to keep the gold bars because it was a very complicated job?
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#744OpenAI is taking the position similar to that if you sell a cook book, people are not allowed to teach the recipes to their kids, or make better versions of them. That is absurd. Copyright law is designed to strike a balance between two issues. One the one hand, the creator’s personality that’s baked into the specific form of expression. And on the other hand, society’s interest in ideas being circulated, improved an…
You can't copyright AI generated works. OpenAI are barking up the wrong tree.
They're not making a legal claim, they're trying to establish provenance over Deepseek in the public eye.
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#745OpenAI is taking the position similar to that if you sell a cook book, people are not allowed to teach the recipes to their kids, or make better versions of them. That is absurd. Copyright law is designed to strike a balance between two issues. One the one hand, the creator’s personality that’s baked into the specific form of expression. And on the other hand, society’s interest in ideas being circulated, improved an…
As another attorney, I would impart some more wisdom: "Karma's a bitch, ain't it."
I quite agree. The NY Times must be feeling a lot of schadenfreude right now.
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#746Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is obviously extremely silly, because that's exactly how OpenAI got all of its training data IANAL, but It is worth noting here that DeepSeek has explicitly consented to a license that doesn't allow them to do this . That is a condition of using the Chat GPT and the OpenAI API. Even if the courts affirm that there's a fair use defence for AI training, DeepSeek may still be in the wrong here, not because of cop…
training is either fair use, or it isn't OpenAI can't have it both ways
"Free for me, not for thee!" - Sam Altman /s
But in all reality I'm happy to see this day. The fact that OpenAI ripped off everyone and everything they could and, to this day pretend like they didn't, is fantastic.
Sam Altman is a con and it's not surprising that given all the positive press DeepSeek got that it was a full court assault on them within 48 hours.
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#747The nyt disclosure on this reporting is about to be wild
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#748Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#749If OpenAI desires public protection, then OpenAI should open-source its models.
If they did this, We the People would cover them like we do others. Without it, We the People don't care.
Cry, don't cry, it's meaningless to us.
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#750What a load of shit. ClosedAI is publishing a hit piece on DeepSeek and get public and politicians on their side. Maybe even get government to do their dirty work.
If they had a case, they wouldn’t be using FT. They would be filing a court case. Although that would open them up to discovery and the nasty shit ClosedAI has been up to would be game.