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DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by johny115 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #733
johny115 wrote: post #728

Am I the only one to be worried about using the DeepSeek web app due to how my data will be used? Since this is China. I was looking for some comment providing discussion about that... but nobody cares? How is this not worrying? Does nobody understand the political regime China is under? Is everyone really that politically uneducated? People just go out and play with it as if nothing? LLMs by their nature get to extr…

Assuming you are US citizen, you should be worried about USG, not CCP. CCP having your data could rarely hurt you, unlike your own government. So gemini, chatgpt and so are more dangerous for you in a way.

Central EU citizen. I don't know, I am not naive about US and privacy, but as far as I know, US's motivation is mostly profit, not growth at absolutely any (human) cost, human rights repression, and world dominance.

Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by jahlove »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #356
baq wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side note: I’ve read enough sci-fi to know that letting rich people live much longer than not rich is a recipe for a dystopian disaster. The world needs incompetent heirs to waste most of their inheritance, otherwise the civilization collapses to some kind of feudal nightmare.

I’m cautiously optimistic that if that tech came about it would quickly become cheap enough to access for normal people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varian_Rule

Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by deadbabe »

resters wrote: post #500

For those who haven't realized it yet, Deepseek-R1 is better than claude 3.5 and better than OpenAI o1-pro, better than Gemini. It is simply smarter -- a lot less stupid, more careful, more astute, more aware, more meta-aware, etc. We know that Anthropic and OpenAI and Meta are panicking. They should be. The bar is a lot higher now. The justification for keeping the sauce secret just seems a lot more absurd. None of…

Meta isn’t panicking, they want AI to be cheap and commoditized so they can focus on what comes next while everyone is distracted by party tricks.

Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by m3kw9 »

resters wrote: post #500

For those who haven't realized it yet, Deepseek-R1 is better than claude 3.5 and better than OpenAI o1-pro, better than Gemini. It is simply smarter -- a lot less stupid, more careful, more astute, more aware, more meta-aware, etc. We know that Anthropic and OpenAI and Meta are panicking. They should be. The bar is a lot higher now. The justification for keeping the sauce secret just seems a lot more absurd. None of…

lol “for those who didn’t realize yet”. Please stop with the hype, we all use it

Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by deiznof »

BbzzbB wrote: post #737
deiznof wrote: post #736

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find this to be true at all, maybe it has a few niche advantages, but GPT has significantly more data (which is what people are using these things for), and honestly, if GPT-5 comes out in the next month or two, people are likely going to forget about deepseek for a while. Also, I am incredibly suspicious of bot marketing for Deepseek, as many AI related things have. "Deepseek KILLED ChatGPT!", "Deepseek just…

GPT-5 has been a phantom boogyman for like a year. Any time something better comes up, people claim OpenAI is holding back by not releasing some secret model despite the fact that if they had it, they'd be fully incentived to release it.

Not really? It's just a version that's proceeding 4x. I don't think there's really any reason to pathologize it.

Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by ceejayoz »

deadbabe wrote: post #743
resters wrote: post #500

For those who haven't realized it yet, Deepseek-R1 is better than claude 3.5 and better than OpenAI o1-pro, better than Gemini. It is simply smarter -- a lot less stupid, more careful, more astute, more aware, more meta-aware, etc. We know that Anthropic and OpenAI and Meta are panicking. They should be. The bar is a lot higher now. The justification for keeping the sauce secret just seems a lot more absurd. None of…

Meta isn’t panicking, they want AI to be cheap and commoditized so they can focus on what comes next while everyone is distracted by party tricks.

Like the Metaverse? Or NFTs on Instagram?

Meta is great at getting distracted by party tricks.

Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by mhh__ »

resters wrote: post #500

For those who haven't realized it yet, Deepseek-R1 is better than claude 3.5 and better than OpenAI o1-pro, better than Gemini. It is simply smarter -- a lot less stupid, more careful, more astute, more aware, more meta-aware, etc. We know that Anthropic and OpenAI and Meta are panicking. They should be. The bar is a lot higher now. The justification for keeping the sauce secret just seems a lot more absurd. None of…

It's better than Claude because it's doing a different task, and I don't think it's better than o1 let alone o1-pro.

The new Gemini model that competes like for like is also probably better too but I haven't used it much.

Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by 999900000999 »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #541
999900000999 wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also not a uniquely Chinese problem. You had American models generating ethnically diverse founding fathers when asked to draw them. China is doing America better than we are. Do we really think 300 million people, in a nation that's rapidly becoming anti science and for lack of a better term "pridefully stupid" can keep up. When compared to over a billion people who are making significant progress every day. Am…

Americans are becoming more anti-science? This is a bit biased don’t you think? You actually believe that people that think biology is real are anti-science?

This guy is running our health department.

>“Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,” Kennedy said, adding that “we don’t know whether it’s deliberately targeted that or not.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/15/politics/rfk-jr-covid-jewish-...

He just says stupid things without any sources.

This type of "scientist" is what we celebrate now.

Dr OZ is here! https://apnews.com/article/dr-oz-mehmet-things-to-know-trump...

Re: DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via RL

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Post by crocowhile »

I have asked Deepseek-R1 and o1-preview to articulate in 1000 words on why this is potentially disruptive of the highly overvalued US market. I gave them the same guidance / prompt using openWebUI multimodels functionality and let them browse the internet as needed. The assay costed $0.85 for o1-preview and $0.03 for Deepseek-R1.

https://giorgio.gilest.ro/2025/01/26/on-deepseeks-disruptive...

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