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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by deadbabe »

lolinder wrote: post #602
userbinator wrote: post #586

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mostly very political The article itself is political, so why wouldn't the discussion be? The real question is whether HN wants political discussion, which at least in the past has been "no".

I guess the distinction I'm drawing is that the comments aren't interestingly political. The political topics that are left on the HN front page are usually there because the discussion is heavily moderated to keep things civil and interesting, and that doesn't seem to be happening here. The top comment by tsimionescu is fine. Not great, but par for the course. The replies are at least mostly civil, but they're also…

The “clearly the author is ignorant” comment is only flame bait to people who aren’t up to date with how immigration has destroyed Canada. Actual Canadians are being displaced by people who don’t care about any kind of Canadian values. There’s people who hold the permanent opinion that immigration can do no wrong.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by swat535 »

sneak wrote: post #326
dietr1ch wrote: post #236

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There's a certain amount of people that can adapt to a place, but if too many people of common culture comes in they just hijack the place. In Canada it seems to me they didn't establish the limit properly and people also worked around it by moving within Canada disregarding the agreement that they'd stay in a certain zone that still had some slack of people they could integrate.

Hijacking deprives someone else of their rights. Living differently than your neighbor doesn’t change anything for your neighbor. Nothing is “hijacked”.

It's mind boggling you are denying the fact that having many people from the same group clustered in a "multicultural" environment has no impact on society has a whole. Of course it does, this is why we have laws protecting minorities, it's irrelevant how the majority is established (either per-existing or minority suddenly growing), the impact may be positive but it's naive to assume it will always be so.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by rayiner »

argsnd wrote: post #647
OJFord wrote: post #519

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Yes that's what GP is describing. Fractured Conservative party with splinters that can't command a majority.

The combined right did not get remotely close to a majority. The combined left did.

Only if you define “combined left” to include the centrist liberal democrats, who were part of David Cameron’s Tory-led coalition from 2010-2015.

“Membership is primarily made up of middle-class professionals and the party's composition has a higher proportion of university educated members than the other major political parties of the United Kingdom.”

These folks are far afield of the traditional Labour working class base, many of whom have defected to Tories or Reform. They are what we’d call the “Acela Class” in America.

Luckily for Labour, they don’t have to make any policy concessions to these voters.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by swat535 »

roncesvalles wrote: post #488
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It was relevant when people from all over the world came to Canada instead of from one province in India

I think most of them will integrate eventually; their children will, most certainly. Everybody integrates, that's the Canadian way.

Why would that be the case?

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by adamc »

wesselbindt wrote: post #398
adamc wrote: post #147

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FWIW, as an American, I see it as a mixed bag. Our economy is stronger, but it creates a lot of wealth inequality and unhappiness.

Do you see a strong economy as a goal in itself? I see it as a proxy measure for the things that truly matter. Happiness, good health, good education, the freedom to lead your life the way you want. America fails miserably on all of those.

I don't think America fails on all of those. Our universities are probably the best in the world. There is a lot of freedom.

And having a strong economy is generally a good thing -- there are jobs, which matters.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by swat535 »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #454
BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

It's the classic thing where people are unhappy due to unrelated systemic problems and they lash out and blame the latest people to show up. Canadians are suffering due to decades on decades of poor housing policy and a continued reluctance to seriously engage in the problem. Suddenly immigrants are to blame. Never mind the fact that long ago, before this government even touched immigration numbers, or were even elec…

I beg to differ, I think import 5x the amount of population from the same part of the world has a major impact on any country, especially if the government doesn't plan for the sudden increase in population by expanding infrastructure, healthcare, housing etc.

Leaving the social issues aside, this was very poorly planned and average Canadians, especially young ones are feeling the pressure as a direct result of these policies.

Of course there are other factors but to argue that this is "sudden" and misplaced is not genuine.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by mmooss »

mike_hearn wrote: post #657
mmooss wrote: post #160

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Despite the critics, many countries have signed up and would like to, and only one has left. Why is EU membership so much in demand?

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Bulgaria and Romania in 2007, Croatia in 2013. Ukraine, Moldova, and (last I knew) Georgia are all trying to get in. Iceland is considering it. Many are even talking about it in the UK, though obviously that won't happen soon.

Given the limits of oceans and seas, and Russia and Turkey to the east, there's not much more of Europe left that hasn't joined. They've actually succeeded in uniting almost all of Europe - pretty effing incredible, an historic achievement that will be admired for millennia.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by mmooss »

mike_hearn wrote: post #714
franga2000 wrote: post #664

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> conditional on things like only voting in left wing parties Thefuck? The EU has been making everything conditional on privatization, deregulation and generally adopting more capitalist models in practically every aspect of government. You're calling this left wing?? A few examples of the demands: sell off our largest and state-owned bank; decouple, deregulate and privatize electricity generation and sale; open the…

The EU isn't exactly famous for its love of deregulation, you know. Quite the opposite, especially when it comes to tech. But I'm referring to the withdrawal of cohesion funds from countries like Poland and Hungary under newly invented rules like needing to share "EU values". These values aren't defined or written down anywhere, but the only countries that seem to violate them are those with conservative parties in p…

You know that's not what's happening. The EU is withholding money because those countries have regressed democratically, with the executive controlling the judiciary and press, and oppressing the political opposition.

Plenty of conservative governments are in the EU. Freedom and democracy - which mean an independent judiciary and free and independent press - are not left-wing ideas!

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by swat535 »

btbuildem wrote: post #504

Please remove this post, it's rage bait and the discussion in here is absolutely the worst thing I have seen on HN in many years.

Care to elaborate? If you have thoughts on what has been said, what could have been said better or what you agree/disagree with, please share it so we can have a comprehensive conversation about a real issue that is affecting millions of Canadians.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by wesselbindt »

adamc wrote: post #745
wesselbindt wrote: post #398

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Do you see a strong economy as a goal in itself? I see it as a proxy measure for the things that truly matter. Happiness, good health, good education, the freedom to lead your life the way you want. America fails miserably on all of those.

I don't think America fails on all of those. Our universities are probably the best in the world. There is a lot of freedom. And having a strong economy is generally a good thing -- there are jobs, which matters.

> There is a lot of freedom

The US is fifth in the world in terms of incarceration rate (i.e., there are only 4 countries which imprison a larger portion of their population). The thirteenth amendment allows the US to enslave its imprisoned population (which they do, and it's a very lucrative business). The US also has a thing called the death penalty where they literally _kill_ the person convicted of a crime.

According to the world press freedom index, the US ranks 55th when it comes to freedom of the press.

I don't know if you know this, but the US has been holding immigrant kids in cages at the border. Started with Obama, increased under Trump, and then increased some more under Biden.

Guantanamo also still exists, but I suppose torturing civilians without formally charging them for a crime doesn't count against the freedom of US citizens.

By what metric does the US have a lot of freedom?

> Our universities are probably the best in the world

Good colleges aren't worth anything if only the owning class can afford to send their kids there. Going to college puts people into lifelong debt (in America, that is). Out of the top 10 universities in the world according to the QS world ranking, 4 are from the UK, 4 from the US, despite the UK having about a fifth of the population of the US.

> And having a strong economy is generally a good thing -- there are jobs, which matters.

There were jobs during slavery too (I mean the slavery from before 1865, not the 13th amendment slavery from today). Jobs are not an inherent good. About 40% of the homeless (in the US) have a job, but cannot afford housing.

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