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Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by theptip »

danpalmer wrote: post #733
CreRecombinase wrote: post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what's so brilliant about the Microsoft "partnership". OpenAI gets the Microsoft enterprise legitimacy, meanwhile Microsoft can build interfaces on top of ChatGPT that they can swap out later for whatever they want when it suits them

I think this is good for Microsoft, but less good for OpenAI. Microsoft owns the customer relationship, owns the product experience, and in many ways owns the productionisation of a model into a useful feature. They also happen to own the datacenter side as well. Because Microsoft is the whole wrapper around OpenAI, they can also negotiate. If they think they can get a better price from Anthropic, Google (in theory),…

$10B of compute credits on a capped profit deal that they can break as soon as they get AGI (i.e. the $10T invention) seems pretty favorable to OpenAI.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by AI_beffr »

i want to learn to speak another language but now i find myself questioning whether or not it makes any sense in light of the fact that AI already translates so well. its clear that by the time i learn another language real-time translation will be so good and so accessible that my own translations will just be a hindrance to effective communication. i looked very hard for some reason to justify learning other languages because i have always wanted to learn another language. the only good reason to learn another language is to have privacy. you could also say that it would be useful if you were cut off from AI services but that will probably only apply to terrorists or other extreme cases. the only solid justification for learning a language yourself is to have conversations that are not monitored or data-mined. honestly, in the context of the world-to-come, its not worth doing.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by riazrizvi »

pentagrama wrote: post #329

The argument of more compute power for this plan can be true, but this is also a pricing tactic known as the decoy effect or anchoring. Here's how it works: 1. A company introduces a high-priced option (the "decoy"), often not intended to be the best value for most customers. 2. This premium option makes the other plans seem like better deals in comparison, nudging customers toward the one the company actually wants…

I use GPT-4 because 4o is inferior. I keep trying 4o but it consistently underperforms. GPT-4 is not working as hard anymore compared to a few months ago. If this release said it allows GPT-4 more processing time to find more answers and filter them, I’d then see transparency of service and happily pay the money. As it is I’ll still give it a try and figure it out, but I’d like to live in a world where companies can be honest about their missteps. As it is I have to live in this constructed reality that makes sense to me given the evidence despite what people claim. Am I fooling/gaslighting myself?? Who knows?

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Post by tokioyoyo »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #670
tokioyoyo wrote: post #16

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Qwen has an open reasoning model. If they keep up, and don’t get banned in the west “because security”, it’ll be fun to watch the LLM wars.

> and don’t get banned in the west “because security”, It's from Alibaba, which is Chinese, so it seems likely.

Yeah, but it’s a bit trickier with them, given how they still operate in US and listed in NYSE. Also if they keep releasing open source code, people will still just use it… basically the Meta way of adoption into their AI ecosystem.

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Post by esafak »

lasermike026 wrote: post #370
Max-q wrote: post #118

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$200 is two man hours. So if you save two hours a month, you are breaking even.

That doesn't increase my salary. It just mean my boss will expect more work. $2400 a year. No deal.

He's the one who should be paying for it.

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Post by efficax »

Atotalnoob wrote: post #425
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #407

I just bought a pro subscription. First impressions: The new o1-Pro model is an insanely good writer. Aside from favoring the long em-dash (—) which isn't on most keyboards, it has none of the quirks and tells of old GPT-4/4o/o1. It managed to totally fool every "AI writing detector" I ran it through. It can handle unusually long prompts. It appears to be very good at complex data analysis. I need to put it through i…

AI writing detectors are snake oil

of course they are. it’s simple: if they worked they would be incorporated into the loss function of the models and then they would no longer work

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Post by paulddraper »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #453
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #407

I just bought a pro subscription. First impressions: The new o1-Pro model is an insanely good writer. Aside from favoring the long em-dash (—) which isn't on most keyboards, it has none of the quirks and tells of old GPT-4/4o/o1. It managed to totally fool every "AI writing detector" I ran it through. It can handle unusually long prompts. It appears to be very good at complex data analysis. I need to put it through i…

> Aside from favoring the long em-dash (—) which isn't on most keyboards Interesting! I intentionally edit my keyboard layout to include the em-dash, as I enjoy using it out of sheer pomposity—I should undoubtedly delve into the extent to which my own comments have been used to train GPT models!

Word processors -- MS Word, Google Docs -- will generally convert three hyphens to em dash.

(And two hyphens to en dash.)

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Post by handfuloflight »

y2hhcmxlcw wrote: post #726

Great, so now OpenAI has opened the door to pricing people out of AI access. The o1-pro model in their charts is only ever so slightly better than the one I can get for $20 a month. To blur the lines of this they add in other features for $200 a month, but make no mistake, their best model is now 10x more expensive for 1% or so better results based on their charts. What's next? The best models will soon cost $500 a m…

> What's next? The best models will soon cost $500 a month and only be available to enterprises? Seems they are opening the door to taking away public access to powerful models.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/380117/openai-microsoft-s...

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Post by a1j9o94 »

freediver wrote: post #722
fudged71 wrote: post #443

OpenAI is racing against two clocks: the commoditization clock (how quickly open-source alternatives catch up) and the monetization clock (their need to generate substantial revenue to justify their valuation). The ultimate success of this strategy depends on what we might call the enterprise AI adoption curve - whether large organizations will prioritize the kind of integrated, reliable, and "safe" AI solutions Open…

I would say this differently. There exists no future where OpenAI both sells models through API and has its own consumer product. They will have to pick one of these things to bet the company on.

That's not necessarily true. There are many companies that have both end user products and B2 products they sell. There are a million specific use cases that OpenAI won't build specific products for.

Think Amazon that has both AWS and the retail business. There's a lot of value in providing both.

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Post by handfuloflight »

bionhoward wrote: post #703
EcommerceFlow wrote: post #391

After a few hours of $200 Pro usage, it's completely worth it. Having no limit on o1 usage is a game changer, where I felt so restricted before, the amount of intelligence at the palm of my hand UNLIMITED feels a bit scary.

Unlimited — except you can’t use it to develop [business] models that compete

Was that your plan to get your OpenAI competitor off the ground?
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