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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by ruined »

SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

the first 5k imac was actually a 2014 release. i got mine used much later, and eventually gave it away to a friend a couple months ago this year. i was pretty frustrated by the limitation and did research on converting it, before the kits were widely available.

during design and manufacturing of the initial 2014 release, there wasn't any off-the-shelf control board capable of driving the display. so internally, there's a customized controller with a specialized 5k mode that appears as two hardware displays, using two displayport channels for interlaced lines. a custom driver presents it as a single logical display to the OS (this is why windows support required a custom driver, and linux still has no support).

so i think primarily the reason they didn't set up target display mode is that they barely got it to work on its own. target display mode would have required significantly more development.

consider that DP didn't even announce protocol specs that could support the 5k resolution or tiled displays until a month before the imac release.

5k imac release, oct 16: https://web.archive.org/web/20171205093037/https://www.apple...

vesa dp1.3 announced, sept 15: https://www.displayport.org/pr/vesa-releases-displayport-1-3...

but yes, disappointingly, later 5k imac releases didn't restore the feature. at this point they have 'sidecar' and i guess they consider that a solution.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mihaaly »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #627
romanobro56 wrote: post #616

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“They only dedicate real resources in the direction of self interest” Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so!

Of course. But it's hypocritical to then pretend like they care about the environment when they manifestly don't.

I wonder how many offended Apple employees and dedicated fans hang around this article, but seeing the number of grey comments being a bit sceptical about the overall efficiency of Apple environmentalism there most be more than one. ; ) But maybe still less than the number of electronics mass produced, sparing no efforts and resources, to supply mass(es of) consumers, the world!

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by magarnicle »

wodenokoto wrote: post #560
jjcm wrote: post #448

Since this thread seems to be about niche asks for pro users, despite the product being targeted towards casual users who want an easy out of the box experience, I'll add my own to the mix. I'd love a bigger/better screen on these, specifically an ultrawide variety. An iMac Pro with an 8k ultrawide would be a near-instant purchase for me. I find the ultrawide form factor so good for productivity. I love the apple "it…

iMac Pro with HDMI in would be a purchase for me. The screen will outlive the computer hardware, yet an imac is cheaper than a studio display.

How much of an advantage is this over a mini or studio with an external display?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by al_borland »

square_usual wrote: post #406
baron816 wrote: post #48

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Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.

The people who like the magic mouse (not me) don't care, and the people who even otherwise would never use a magic mouse get to keep making fun of it. Why would they bother?

I'd get a Magic Mouse if they'd move the port. It doesn't even need to be an actual port, it could be a magnetic charger, I'd be good with that too. Just something where I can plug it in while I'm thinking of it, keep working, and unplug it when I notice it's at 100% again. Having a magnet would actually be kind of cool. It could be left up near the top of the mouse pad and you could just swing your mouse up near it when it gets low for it to snap on and start charging.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by astrodust »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #640
cube2222 wrote: post #127

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I get your point, and Apple doesn't price RAM cheap, but it's worth noting that any RAM doesn't equal any other RAM. There's a ton of ram types with varying performance levels, and in apple's case it's RAM with direct and performant access from the graphics card (unified memory).

RAM is literally a JEDEC standard.

You're not buying a standard, you're buying a module with particular packaging and specifications, all of which have a huge impact on production cost.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mihaaly »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #571
mihaaly wrote: post #540

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I hope they also plant one or two small trees somewhere! And promote the use of refillable water botles on campus!!

Not sure if you're kidding, but around 2014 on campus we all got reusable water bottles, and I still of course have mine, as they're useful (and less wasteful).

[facepalm]

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by conradev »

romanobro56 wrote: post #616
conradev wrote: post #600

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It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

“They only dedicate real resources in the direction of self interest” Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so!

I did not say that it’s bad or wrong or changeable.

I was actually just trying to explain that the internal feelings of employees are not the driving force, even if those feelings are real and deeply felt.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by doublepg23 »

Koshkin wrote: post #669
doublepg23 wrote: post #556

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Why not get a Mac Mini and external 32” display? It should be refreshed this week with rumors of a redesign.

Not if you want an M4

I believe it'll release tomorrow or Wednesday? Leaks aren't always accurate but it would be pretty strange if the iMac got a refresh and not the mini.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by magarnicle »

Teever wrote: post #196
mjlee wrote: post #132

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Especially egregious when you consider older iMacs could be used as external displays - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/105126

I'd love to see a regulator mandate that computers like the iMac that have built in screens must have HDMI ports that allow them to be used as monitors. This would be great for the consumer and prevent a lot of ewaste as people can use obsolete computers as monitors well past their useful lifespan as a monitor.

Even laptops?
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