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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ang_cire »

anonzzzies wrote: post #238
ang_cire wrote: post #85

This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone. I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping…

> Can you imagine how goofy you'd look sitting at a coffee shop and just sort of staring into the middle distance and talking, as you take a Zoom call? yeah, I do that daily with xreal glasses. Never met more interesting people like this. As I can see normally but with a very large screen, people sit next to me , want to try and often buy them themselves on the spot. I also don't have to carry an annoying laptop.

> an annoying laptop

See, I feel like maybe this is the disconnect I'm having from others who seem to enjoy AR/ VR.

My laptop isn't "annoying" to me, it's fun. I want an excuse to use it, and it's customized out the wazzoo. Right now I'm building a cyberdeck using a FriendlyElec CM3588 and I'm making the case out of wood, after modeling it out in FreeCAD. I've been drooling over all the customization I can do with a fully bespoke setup.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by navaed01 »

drewrv wrote: post #164
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #32

Decent hands on article from the verge with more info https://www.theverge.com/24253908/meta-orion-ar-glasses-demo... Wireless compute puck. 70 degree FOV. Resolution high enough to read text. Wrist band detects hand gestures and will be used in another product.

From using various VR systems, a hololens, and reading reviews of the vision pro I really feel like hand gestures are a bad way to interact with AR systems. They might work in a pinch (heh) but some sort of small controller that can act as a pointer and has a button or two is superior in every way. It's interesting that meta went through the effort of bundling an accessory but stuck with hand gestures anyway.

It depends why you think hand gestures are bad. The wrist babd is detecting brain waves and allows for hand gestures while the hands are out of the field of view of the cameras.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ang_cire »

vindex10 wrote: post #731
ang_cire wrote: post #723

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I can't tell if you're saying that they were incorrectly negative, or incorrectly positive? In my experience, everyone hates Dropbox, and especially that it's always popping up asking you to sign in, and that it's preinstalled on fresh Windows installs whether you want it or not.

What do you use instead? I just happend to have Dropbox historically from >10 years ago. It doesn't pop up on linux that often btw. Would you recommend Proton maybe?

Personally, I use Nextcloud, running on one of my home servers. For SaaS storage, I honestly dont' know.

I don't use Nextcloud to have instant access, I use it for redundancy for critical data that I don't want only living on my phone or laptop (like tax and legal docs), but that's also data that I don't want to hand to a third party app willy-nilly.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by fergie »

Every tech company markets their magical glasses the wrong way:

AR is a super exciting opportunity for people who spend their day looking at complicated stuff in real life- mechanics, plumbers, electricians, architects, builders, steel fabricators. This tech is definitely coming, has some really exciting and uplifting demos, and therefore marketing should be focused at this segment.

AR is a super creepy opportunity for people who want to use these in social or family settings- it comes across as sad and dysfunctional, so its baffling that this seems to be the current focus of marketing. I wonder if they are deliberately trying to impress stakeholders/investors rather than actually trying to win over consumers?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ang_cire »

leohonexus wrote: post #732
ang_cire wrote: post #723

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I can't tell if you're saying that they were incorrectly negative, or incorrectly positive? In my experience, everyone hates Dropbox, and especially that it's always popping up asking you to sign in, and that it's preinstalled on fresh Windows installs whether you want it or not.

Thanks, I've updated my comment to clarify. I think HN is being incorrectly negative here. The original comment about Dropbox was saying how everyone can "trivially" implement Dropbox using a network share and hence it has no reason to exist - but obviously this is wrong. Many HN commenters are now saying how they won't ever buy anything from Meta. That's fair, but brand perceptions shift - newer generations are alre…

That's the thing, the stuff you described isn't a phone replacement; we don't use our phones to do that right now. I do think that AR and holographic projection (which is also advancing very nicely, and having some very cool tech demos[1]) have a lot of interesting uses, but it's not doing the stuff that we use phones to do now (reading websites, watching videos, listening to music, text chatting, etc).

I don't know how anyone is excited to hear, "hey, with this you can watch videos just like on your phone, but the video is also kinda transparent so it's harder to see!" (which it has to be, or we're really gonna be seeing car accidents skyrocket).

I think there is value in doing certain things one-at-a-time, with full attention, but this makes some of those into overlays that you're now sharing with other tasks.

[1]: https://newatlas.com/vr/voxon-photonics-3d-hologram-volumetr...

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by boppo1 »

deutschepost wrote: post #644
rty32 wrote: post #608

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Guess what? Most people who end up buying this product won't care about any of these. (P.S. Apple is much worse than you think. Look up Apple's first party tracking.)

There is always a comment saying Apple is much worse than people think compared to Facebook or Google. But there are never any Sources. Google and Facebook track you wherever you go on the internet. You can't get away from it. Apple only shows ads in their App Store. And you can turn off Apples tracking in their Settings. How is that "Much worse than you think"?

>Google and Facebook track you wherever you go on the internet

I wonder if everyone's porn habits will one day leak

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by anonzzzies »

ang_cire wrote: post #741
anonzzzies wrote: post #238

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> Can you imagine how goofy you'd look sitting at a coffee shop and just sort of staring into the middle distance and talking, as you take a Zoom call? yeah, I do that daily with xreal glasses. Never met more interesting people like this. As I can see normally but with a very large screen, people sit next to me , want to try and often buy them themselves on the spot. I also don't have to carry an annoying laptop.

> an annoying laptop See, I feel like maybe this is the disconnect I'm having from others who seem to enjoy AR/ VR. My laptop isn't "annoying" to me, it's fun. I want an excuse to use it, and it's customized out the wazzoo. Right now I'm building a cyberdeck using a FriendlyElec CM3588 and I'm making the case out of wood, after modeling it out in FreeCAD. I've been drooling over all the customization I can do with a…

Ah but that's another story :) I love custom builds and I love retro stuff. But that I do for fun as well. I modden a cf19 toughbook with a new screen, ble keyboard, mostly batteries and a rasberry pi for many day battery life. And my house is full with all kinds of modded computers, new and old. Just when I travel, which is a lot of the time, I don't want to take anything but clothes; the xreal is perfect for this.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by cubefox »

yimiqidage001 wrote: post #619
cubefox wrote: post #471

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Except that AR glasses that require a controller are totally impractical when using them in everyday life.

I very much agree with you, there is no practical scene for AR glasses yet

No I meant AR glasses would be impractical with a controller whether or not AR glasses have a practical "scene".

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by closewith »

dagmx wrote: post #418
closewith wrote: post #385

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If the state of the art is the Vision Pro, then all the GP'S complaints are valid. It's not anywhere near good enough to replace a controller.

For what use cases though? Interacting with websites, most apps and content consumption? Hand tracking beats a controller. Controllers have their strength for games but most things that people do with their computers are better with hand tracking.

> For what use cases though? Interacting with websites, most apps and content consumption? Hand tracking beats a controller.

I can only imagine this is an extreme minority view, as hand tracking is next to useless for these tasks, outside of tech demos.

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