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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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> Usually, such a ban would destroy a media platforms’ business model, but browser-based experiences are fine for viewing photos and videos and sending messages (in contrast, most games can’t even run). And while apps tend to offer better user experiences and far simpler payment processes, most OnlyFans customers aren’t dissuaded by the need to use a browser, nor the extra hoops involved in manually entering a credit…

Websites also never throw up a dialog saying "This app has expired. Please update it to continue." Almost all my apps do this to me about once a month. [Obviously I don't let Android update my apps automatically in the background. That way lies madness.]

Had a big bank’s app force me to update. Ok, updated it.

Ok, looks like a total UI refresh.

Tried to schedule a bill payment (which previous version could do, uhh, for 10y+) and threw a dialog saying “coming soon”.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#742

> Usually, such a ban would destroy a media platforms’ business model, but browser-based experiences are fine for viewing photos and videos and sending messages (in contrast, most games can’t even run). And while apps tend to offer better user experiences and far simpler payment processes, most OnlyFans customers aren’t dissuaded by the need to use a browser, nor the extra hoops involved in manually entering a credit…

I don't know that there are that many downsides to apps for users. Certainly as an iPhone owner I get little anxiety about installing apps from Apple's app store[0] and, for the most part, they offer a good experience - often better than the web. The ones that don't, I simply uninstall.

Cost can be a downside, of course.

For vendors the obvious downside is the Apple/Google tax, and is something even we need to be wary of at the company I work for.

But it's not the only downside.

I work for a company that offers a service via the web but, recently, we wanted to prototype some functionality that would exclusively be used from mobile and tablet. It uses the camera, does some nifty stuff with AI (and, to be clear, no, it's not a porn app!), etc., and I thought well, why not prototype it with and app? And, furthermore, why not prototype it as a native app with Swift? This should be the lowest friction route to ddeveloping and deploying an app to iOS, has full access to the platform's extensive built-in capabilities, and therefore it would offer the best user experience, etc.

And I've always been happy to sacrifice a quantity of developer convenience for the sake of offering a better user experience. At the end of the day if we, as engineers, wanted easy jobs we picked the wrong career: we should be aiming to make the lives of our users easier and more productive, and that's often really challenging.

And I'll tell you what: as far as it goes, if I didn't need the app to interact with anything outside of Apple's platform I might still use Swift. It's a nice language, and whilst XCode feels a bit like it Deloreaned in from 2005, it isn't completely terrible.

But that's not our app. It needs to integrate with a bunch of other services and here is where the pain kicked in. Swift and iOS are absolutely the poor cousins when it comes to library and API support. For so many things I wanted to do libraries were incomplete, and documentation was... well, it ranged from non-existent to wrong in critical aspects.

And because Swift is niche (relatively speaking) it's very evident that it doesn't have the kind of mature ecosystem, thought leadership or best practices around it that the likes of C++, Java, C#, Python, and others do. I might be speaking out of turn here but I also get the vibe that it doesn't attract the kind of best of breed practitioners that other more niche development platforms have, which yields better library and API support for them even though they don't necessarily have huge developer bases: think Go, Rust, Flutter, etc.

I don't want to denigrate Swift because, as a language in isolation, I liked it (even though it's Objective C underpinnings are never far from showing themselves). But as a development experience, it was a complete nightmare. Outside of functionality that depended only on the device itself I struggled to get anything working well.

You could put this down to, well, you're new to the platform, what do you expect? But I was able to otherwise be immediately productive in Python 18 months ago when I started working with it, and didn't run into these kinds of frustrations.

In the end I literally got to the point of, screw this, let's just use web, or maybe a hybrid app with the thinnest of thin native wrappers, or maybe flutter. But not native, no way.

[0] I say little anxiety rather than no anxiety because I'm not generally a fan of free apps the serve ads, where you don't really know what's on the other end, or how they might be tracking you, and often the UX is such that it's made a bit easier than one might ideally like to accidentally click an ad.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it. With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that. I am not…

OTOH this is not the same as "VHS" porn of the past decades. A few decades ago, there weren't that many "productions", performers were much fewer and some porn performers name were known by anyone, regardless if you had seen porn with them staring or not. A person getting out of the business and trying to make a new career would have a high chance of meeting people, especially men, in real life who might have seen at…

it's possible, we'll see. certainly the stigma is much less now than it was 40 years ago in the vhs age

also most of the camgirls i know in real life block access to people who live in the same country as they (and i) do; that greatly reduces the chance of awkward dialogues with long-distant uncles at the next family reunion

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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OTOH this is not the same as "VHS" porn of the past decades. A few decades ago, there weren't that many "productions", performers were much fewer and some porn performers name were known by anyone, regardless if you had seen porn with them staring or not. A person getting out of the business and trying to make a new career would have a high chance of meeting people, especially men, in real life who might have seen at…

> Nowadays pornhub and onlyfans are flooded by wannabee independent performers. Even the most addicted to porn can't possibly follow and keep track of more than a tiny subset of performers. So there is a good chance you can still have a career alongside it or switch from OF to a non sex related career easily. Your model of "social ramifications" seems to assume no one ever talks to anyone else, which is dead wrong. S…

in most cases, i don't think the social ramifications to worry about are 'your family finds out' but rather 'obsessed fan won't stop calling you', 'companies decline to interview you for a non-porn job', or 'cute guy turns out to have enough of a hangup about your past sex work to not date you' (which apparently doesn't necessarily imply he's not relationship material, though i'd think it ought to)

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Dtaisk Afai. Cof Lemma, 19:1, 2, 549-552 / https://www.jstor.org/stable/25414613 Let me first give you four quotations. Firstly: “Our youth loves luxury, has bad manners, disregards authority, and has no respect whatsoever for age. Our children today are tyrants; they do not get up when an elderly man enters the room—they talk back to their parents—they are just very bad.” Secondly: “I no longer have any hope for the…

Firstly: The Plato quote is fake - It was crafted by a student, Kenneth John Freeman, for his Cambridge dissertation published in 1907. Secondly: Hesiod was right, his culture no longer exists. ;-) Thirdly: Yep, that quote is fake too. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/10/22/world-end/ Can't find any sources on that fourth one, but I suggest that the British Medical Journal might want to update their article.

> Hesiod was right, his culture no longer exists. ;-)

Hesoid lived when ancient greece got started what followed was 6 centuries of Greek dominance in the mediterranean region. :-)

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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> Nowadays pornhub and onlyfans are flooded by wannabee independent performers. Even the most addicted to porn can't possibly follow and keep track of more than a tiny subset of performers. So there is a good chance you can still have a career alongside it or switch from OF to a non sex related career easily. Your model of "social ramifications" seems to assume no one ever talks to anyone else, which is dead wrong. S…

in most cases, i don't think the social ramifications to worry about are 'your family finds out' but rather 'obsessed fan won't stop calling you', 'companies decline to interview you for a non-porn job', or 'cute guy turns out to have enough of a hangup about your past sex work to not date you' (which apparently doesn't necessarily imply he's not relationship material, though i'd think it ought to)

> or 'cute guy turns out to have enough of a hangup about your past sex work to not date you' (which apparently doesn't necessarily imply he's not relationship material, though i'd think it ought to)

Obviously such a person is not relationship material for a sex worker, but why would you think he ought not be relationship material for anyone else?

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#748

Seminal article (I guess), https://xsrus.com/the-economics-of-onlyfans > It’s just as easy to imagine demand for the “real thing” going down due to the emergence of more substitutes as it is to imagine the premium for parasocial authenticity going up. And yet only Generative AI “creators” will truly do whatever “you” want and only for you. And unlike real ones, they speak in every language and are available at any ti…

> Seminal article (I guess), https://xsrus.com/the-economics-of-onlyfans

is it possible to write a non-seminal article about onlyfans, though?

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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I think that's a horrible way to go about life, and I am glad most do not share your outlook and do take moral responsibility for their actions.

I would simply not let my children decide to buy drugs based on what the free market provides

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#750

So this is a VC writing, observing that they have a stable, profitable business model. Creators get 80% of revenue, which is pretty good. It creates a moat - nobody taking a bigger cut is likely to get the desirable talent. Most of the creators don't make much, which is normal for creative industries. Music and books work that way. OnlyFans has only about 42 employees. They didn't hire a bloated staff. That's impress…

problem? ball seems to approve, terming it 'stunning', 'probably the most successful uk company founded since deepmind', 'the most significant media platform founded since tiktok', and says that on onlyfans 'creators and pornstars alike can make more money, in a safer way, while having greater autonomy and offering audiences experiences that feel more authentic, differentiated, and valuable'

were you replying to someone else making a comment attacking onlyfans?

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