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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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When you support literally jailing people for speech you don't like, you don't support free speech. The clear-cut example I usually pull out - there's PLENTY more. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/31/23004339/uk-twitter-user-...

So he wasn't jailed.

So much for clear-cut example!

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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I like a lot of things the EU is doing, but this spread of surveillance is something I'll always protest against. That's my biggest gripe with the EU, and I hate the Big-Brother-like thinking that gives us the GDPR and also mass surveillance. It's clear the EU's mindset is "nobody can compromise your privacy except me, but it's OK, I'm benevolent", and I'm not a fan of that exceptions.

WUT? GDPR gives you controll of your data, which all those "saint" vc-blessed startups from siliconvale hate with passion... (and they can go * themselves :D)

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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> I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort But that's what exactly they want no? EU is literally implementing a regulation that will allow to "circumvent end-to-end encryption to address child sexual abuse material". I believe it failed to pass recently, but they will try again - and nothing stops countries to implement it independently. I think France is th…

To be clear, the legislation in France and in the EU that is most likely behind this arrest is that companies have to at least try to do some moderation. There is an understanding that not everything can be moderated (obviously, the entire Internet would be banned otherwise) but there has to be a genuine attempt. Which every company does more or less. The fact that Telegram doesn't reach this extremely low, very low…

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Asking cause I don’t know - can you provide iOS level iMessage encryption safely on Android when you don’t control the hardware?

Safety wise, Signal (or PGP email) on GrapheneOS is probably as good as it gets since it's all audited free open source code.

AFAIK, Signal doesn’t provide any way to prove its application were built from non-modified audited free open source code. Indeed there are evidences it behaves “a bit” differently.

So unless you’ve built application by yourself, you have no guarantee of it’s sequrity.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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I like a lot of things the EU is doing, but this spread of surveillance is something I'll always protest against. That's my biggest gripe with the EU, and I hate the Big-Brother-like thinking that gives us the GDPR and also mass surveillance. It's clear the EU's mindset is "nobody can compromise your privacy except me, but it's OK, I'm benevolent", and I'm not a fan of that exceptions.

How is the GDPR big-brother-like-thinking?

The GDPR is the "nobody can compromise your privacy" part and the surveillance is the "except me" part. Big Brother's whole spiel was "we're watching over you for your own good".

To clarify, I like the GDPR, and wish the EU would give us more of that and less of the surveillance.

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I like a lot of things the EU is doing, but this spread of surveillance is something I'll always protest against. That's my biggest gripe with the EU, and I hate the Big-Brother-like thinking that gives us the GDPR and also mass surveillance. It's clear the EU's mindset is "nobody can compromise your privacy except me, but it's OK, I'm benevolent", and I'm not a fan of that exceptions.

WUT? GDPR gives you controll of your data, which all those "saint" vc-blessed startups from siliconvale hate with passion... (and they can go * themselves :D)

I agree, I should have said "the thinking that gives us the GDPR on one hand (good) and mass surveillance on the other (bad)".

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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> What you call moderation is also a tool dictatorships use to censor people. It goes both ways. The veracity of this claim aside, posting this as a reply to someone who just shared their own experience getting doxxed in a country where victims have legitimate grounds to fear for their lives... feels a little out of place. Also, usually the dictatorships abuse the censors once their grasp is firm. Until then, they're…

> Posting this as a reply to someone who just shared their own experience getting doxxed in a country where victims have legitimate grounds to fear for their lives... feels a little out of place. They should pick a bone with their country’s government that allows such thing to happen, not Telegram.

You do realize, that we got on that channel because we're picking a bone with the government, right?

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Where did it start out of curiosity?

Some say it began as a CIA project. > Declassified American government documents show that the US intelligence community ran a campaign in the Fifties and Sixties to build momentum for a united Europe. It funded and directed the European federalist movement. > The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. One memorand…

> Some say it began as a CIA project.

Modern day EU, is a sharing of power structure over the EU between France and Germany. The institutional seats for the EU are in Brussels, Frankfurt, Luxembourg and Strasbourg. Poland and the UK wanted Turkey to join the union to provide voting balance against Germany and France. This didn't happen and France made it clear that they'll never agree to it. The UK left because of this imbalance (despite having special privileges).

One way to think about the current EU in medieval terms: A personal union between France and Germany; and a bunch of associated vassal states.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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It's hard to respond to some of the commentary here. We truly exist mentally on different planets. The West wants Telegram destroyed because the platform permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc). This is in addition to the West not having a backdoor to Telegram and not having it's servers on Western soil. Why do you want you…

When your idea of a sensible argument includes things such as "but think about the children" or "stop being a coward" then I think you should reconsider how you communicate your thoughts.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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It's hard to respond to some of the commentary here. We truly exist mentally on different planets. The West wants Telegram destroyed because the platform permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc). This is in addition to the West not having a backdoor to Telegram and not having it's servers on Western soil. Why do you want you…

Most of the people I know use Telegram to buy drugs. The main use of Telegram in France is supporting illegal activities. The page allowing you to discover channels in your neighbourhood was clearly designed to facilitate that. Telegram has basically no market share as a chat application here outside of that.

You don’t see “the West” whatever that means go after WhatsApp, Signal or Matrix. That should tell you something.

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