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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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This is not correct at all. When Twitter was launched, SF was overflowing with startups on every corner. In fact it was the second wave of SF startups, being a handful of years after the dot com crash. The only thing even slightly surprising about Twitter's location was that they were way down in South Park instead of more solidly in South of Market. They moved to the Tenderloin building in 2012.

> SF was overflowing with startups on every corner. Can you name a handful of known startups headquartered in SF in the early 2000s? I tried searching for stats on this but it seems more difficult than I have time for. So I turned to chatgpt, which (FWIW) agrees with my recollection: In the year 2000, Silicon Valley startups were predominantly located in the southern part of the San Francisco Bay Area, particularly i…

So many startups in SF. Most dead now of course. The first round of post-money hiring at Twitter took a few of my coworkers.

There were launch parties in SF every week in the late 1990s. Often multiple per week. The startups coordinated to not conflict. It was a very active scene. The first wave ended in the early months of 2000. There were a few very slow years after that, but things were picking up again around the time of Twitter's 2006 launch (and 2007-2008 scaling).

We in SF didn't consider ourselves part of Silicon Valley back then, so that might be throwing off the search results. The relabelling came later, when the never-formally-defined scope of "Silicon Valley" expanded to include SF city (but still skipping the bedroom communities between the city and the Valley proper).

(Edit: sibling of GP is correct, SF was mostly internet and media startups, agencies, etc. The Valley got most of the hardware startups. Twitter was a descendant of Blogger/Odeo/Pyra/etc, so SF city was an entirely expected location)

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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turn of the century suburbs truly are goldilocks neighborhoods.

Unfortunately the US demolished such urban structures to make space for cars and parking spaces. We now get a small downtown with clusters of skyscrapers, and then endless urban sprawl. It definitely made the cities of the US ugly, especially when compared to the European cities.

They still exist in the northeast megalopolis where space to build postwar sprawl was limited.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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There is a famous paper about the location of company headquarters: they get as close as possible to the residence of company CEOs. If we don't consider the CEO's influence, I'm actually curious if the location of company headquarters has to do with the average age of the employees in the Bay Area. As the employees start to have families, they most likely move to the south bay for better or for worse, and I have a ha…

Back in the early 90s my wife and I moved to SF because it had a thriving art and music scene and more interesting culture than the 'burbs of palo alto. But as you say, the long commute to SV was a killer and we moved back down. Back then SF was a bedroom community for SV with no tech sector. Businesses up there were banking (Wells Fargo, BofA, Crocker etc), retail, the local stock exchange, and a bunch of manufactur…

it's true, the techies of the '90s and '00s who lived in sf embraced the culture (and suffered the commute). what happened in the '10s kinda steamrolled it.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Oh? I missed that news. Edit: This, I guess: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/x-kills-its-mac-app-ac...

“ If you're a Twitter diehard who's not willing to swap to X, it might be finally time to ditch X for Mastadon or Threads. On your way out, don't forget to delete your X account.” journalists are so biased against X

ofc a “journalist” just outright tells people to delete their X accounts and I get a downvote

the anti musk shit on this site is counter to logic and ideological

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

I don't know, the residential neighborhoods of SF are the perfect place to raise a family if you make tech money: dense enough that there is a ton of stuff to do and your kid knows other kid nearby, low density enough that you get 1500-2500sqft to yourself.

We bailed for seattle because we could get a bigger house and have a better school situation. We did enjoy living on the border between the mission and noe valley before that though.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Just in response to your second point, I do think that's specific to you and your circles. I know multiple retired or semi-retired people who have moved towards the center of a city. Without work to keep them occupied, they want the hustle and bustle, which means something to do. And driving has become more of a hassle and a barrier to the kinds of lives they want to live. These are east coast or midwest cities, so m…

Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

im probably an outlier but i love being able to walk to work as a middle aged city dweller.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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For all the snark from people who dislike Elon, this is a bit of a sad ending. I remember when Twitter announced their presence in mid-market and the promises of how it would help the area. What people don't realize is that his will lead to real revenue losses for the city -- the largest companies in SF are overwhelmingly tech. Twitter is in the top 5 when it comes to how much tax they pay. Loss of revenue for the ci…

SF public funds are horribly miss-managed.

Hopefully events like this contribute to speeding up the reform that the city needs.

Unfortunately the necessary austerity is going to cause more near-term pain, but hopefully results in some longer term prosperity for the city.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Does Elon still dislike/disallow remote work? Seems like that would be a competitive disadvantage.

There are plenty of people who have no problem working from the office 5 days a week, and even some who prefer it. On HN some people are vocal about insisting on remote work, but outside the bubble here people aren't so adamant. Your average person would prefer remote, but isn't going to refuse a job offer based only on that one factor.

It's also becoming increasingly difficult to get a remote job with a bay area salary.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Question from someone who doesn't know the SF neighborhoods... Can a single, childless tech startup-type person live comfortably walking car-free in contemporary SF, long-term? If so, how much does that cost, and in what neighborhoods? Reason I'm asking: the East Coast city where I currently live isn't great for software startups, and, on top of some crazy downsides of this city, there's a possibly emerging new downs…

> Can a single, childless tech startup-type person live comfortably walking car-free in contemporary SF, long-term? If so, how much does that cost, and in what neighborhoods? yes-ish In SF generally the areas are the most car dependent and the hilliest are also the quietest and have the least amount of bullshit. SOMA, where you see a majority of those modern apartments, is going to have some of the worst problems. Yo…

> SOMA, where you see a majority of those modern apartments, is going to have some of the worst problems

I dont think thats true once you get east of 4th and for sure 3rd street.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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You could start by looking at stock price. TSLA is flat since 2020, and their only release in a long time is the Cybertruck which is frankly terrible. They've also lost a huge amount of marketshare. Oh, and Musk's outspoken political opinions are toxic to most EV buyers and have massively turned off a large part of the fanbase that originally propelled him to success. Twitter is a complete dumpster fire (revenue down…

This take is so uninformed it's ridiculous: They released a refreshed Model X and Model S in 2021, a refreshed Model 3 in 2023, and the Cybertruck in 2023/2024. FSD 12 was also released in 2024. Most of the world does not care about Elon Musk's political opinions, and the fact that some people do is a testament to how unhinged everyone is in 2024. The Cybertruck is terrible based on what? It's an incredible piece of…

Nobody cares about minor model refreshes or yet another iteration of a driver assist technology. Tesla's only real release in many years is Cybertruck. They were supposed to have the Roadster out by now too, but that's years late.

But if Tesla is really doing so well as you claim, why has their net profit significantly decreased two quarters in a row now? Why is their stock back at levels from 4 years ago? Why has it underperformed the S&P by 17 percentage points sinc ethen? https://apnews.com/article/tesla-earnings-second-quarter-sal...

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