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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by kylehotchkiss » Sat, Aug 03, 2024, 11:02 PM UTC

hitsurume wrote: post #580

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #466

I want to share what I imagine would be a controversial data point but one that I hope has value to this conversation - I recently decided to join a church just to reconnect with faith that I had pushed aside back in 2016, and with the church, a small group. It's working for me. I am making older friends for the first time in my life, and despite me generally not aligning with people politically, I'm just biting my t…

Churches don't pay taxes. They collect money from attendee's to pay for the real estate they occupy. Any other gathering / community has to deal with these real world problems before they can attract people. In my college years, there were clubs or fraternities, and they could use classrooms or student unions as low cost resources to gather in person and foster community. I think that's a barrier as an adult.

Thoughtful. I didn’t think deeply enough how the tax implications mattered (especially given how many church buildings sit empty for days at a time)

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by squigz » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 1:29 AM UTC

hnpolicestate wrote: post #246

The articles thesis on loss of community plays a role but has always existed in some context depending upon the individuals location. The primary cause (in my opinion) of the youth mental health crisis and falling happiness rates was the introduction of the smart phone. Blaming social media is a clever cop out, it's the actual device and inability of people to stop looking at it. Totally abnormal to human life. Will…

> Totally abnormal to human life.

Which era of our history might best reflect "normal" human life?

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by anon291 » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 1:43 AM UTC

silverquiet wrote: post #685

anon291 wrote: post #668

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I love the people of the United States; our shared values; our shared culture. I view the United States as more than just an ideology as outlined in our constitution but also a distinct group of people with a distinct culture with a shared past and a shared future. This is why I bristle when people get upset by terms like American exceptionalism. Yes, America has a unique culture. America is also objectively superlat…

I assume nearly every culture believes that they are uniquely superlative in some way though; ironically this seems like a highly conserved quality of human psychology. If anything, a lot of the praise of America seems to be the federation of culture; I’ve heard it said the that it is not one country, but fifty different ones.

I mean that's totally fair. Most countries and cultures are exceptional in some way. That does not deny american exceptionalism at all.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by SergeAx » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 2:37 AM UTC

StopTheWorld wrote: post #145

kelseyfrog wrote: post #82

Well, yes, we've doubled down on mediating social interactions through economic relationships. Most of the interactions adults have in their lives are with or in the framing of economic relations. Homes, are being invaded with tablets and mobile devices which bring along with them framing interactions as economic relations through ad and consumer frames. Workplaces are inherently settings of economic relations, and t…

Professor Michael Rosenfeld at Stanford does research on how heterosexual couples in the US meet ( https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/ ). In 1940, over 50% met via friends or family. About 36% met at school. In 2021, about 20% met via friends or family. About 10% met at school. Over 50% met online. So the majority of US couples are now meeting via profit-maximizing corporations. He has a 2019 paper on this (and it ha…

Since around 1997 all my romantic partners did have a solid online footprint. However, I can't say I met any of them online. Every time it was 1) getting merely acquainted on a forum or in a social network, 2) some kind of offline event initiated by users took part 3) "oh, hi, are you from ?"

I don't think it may be counted as "we met online", and specifically I never had any meaningful relationships via dating sites/apps.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by knighthack » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 2:46 AM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #496

bilbo0s wrote: post #396

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There were always a lot of financial imperatives to wed. The point is that now the financial imperative is not to wed. ("Girlfriend get serious! Why marry some loser who can't even buy a house?" or "Bro what? Do you know what will happen if you get divorced?") The financial imperative is not to go to church. Working on Sunday has become the norm as people are regularly expected to be available on the weekends. This i…

I think we have very different perceptions of the world, but I don't have much interest in having a discussion predicated on quotes from imaginary characters.

You take a morally superior position, and you are condescending.

As if discussions and examples using imaginary characters are somehow 'lowly', and can't be used as a fair commentary of society.

In comparison, Plato's works often feature dialogues where characters, including Socrates, engage in arguments, which present various perspectives on philosophical issues through fictionalized conversations. That style of writing and the use of imaginary characters in argumentative discourse is actually hallmark of Plato's work.

The OP's style of writing (who you responded to) is therefore not out of the ordinary; just because you disagree with his or her "perceptions of the world" doesn't mean you should put it down as unworthy of reply for using "imaginary characters".

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Post by sydbarrett74 » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 2:52 AM UTC

As in most spheres, the ruthless pursuit of 'efficiency' in social interactions has led to a less resilient society.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by BobaFloutist » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 3:07 AM UTC

schrectacular wrote: post #637

lotsofpulp wrote: post #427

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From whose perspective is restricting women’s access to healthcare trivial?

The question there is _which_woman_? The one going to get the procedure or the one on the sharp end of needle? So the question one might ask you is "from whose perspective is murder trivial?" Neither seem trivial to me, which is probably why it's such a contentious issue. Framing it like you do seems mostly just to dehumanize the other side. I'm probably with you in how we should treat this, but I also worry about th…

>The question there is _which_woman_? The one going to get the procedure or the one on the sharp end of needle? So the question one might ask you is "from whose perspective is murder trivial?" Neither seem trivial to me, which is probably why it's such a contentious issue. Framing it like you do seems mostly just to dehumanize the other side.

In what world is this a coherent argument that people should look past these ideological divides in their relationships? You know, the actual disagreement at hand?

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by telesilla » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 3:28 AM UTC

vishnugupta wrote: post #101

One big change I've noticed between growing up in a small town and now where I'm in my mid 40s in a big metro city in India is increased "transactional" nature of interactions of my daily life. Back then we had a deeper ties with all those who served us by which I mean vegetable vendor, carpenter, doctor, knife sharpener, cloth shop, grocer, baker and so on. Whenever we interacted with them it would be a small chit-c…

I live in a major city outside the US and the culture here is very non-transactional with the neighbourhood vendors. Sometimes I forget to have enough cash and I they'll suggest I pay later (and always do). I'll be given excellent and free advice from my pharmacy, free fruit samples from the fruit grocer, good discounts on places I frequent. These are owner-run businesses, obviously the supermarket doesn't give me any preferential treatment. I love this city, it's very warm and generous, maybe because they have an incredibly strong social system but also because the municipality works to encourage owner-run businesses.

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Post by daedrdev » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 4:33 AM UTC

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #728

verall wrote: post #700

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It's not inflation, it's bad tax policy.

Please explain how 2x-3x housing costs in 4 years is due to tax policy.

1: ban new housing from being built

2: a supply shortage develops

3: prices rise, and we don't build more housing

I think the tax policy is prop 13, which is a handout to rich homewoners that means they will never sell their houses (very nice for them, not so for anyone trying to get new housing)

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by antman » Sun, Aug 04, 2024, 4:54 AM UTC

daedrdev wrote: post #749

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #728

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain how 2x-3x housing costs in 4 years is due to tax policy.

1: ban new housing from being built 2: a supply shortage develops 3: prices rise, and we don't build more housing I think the tax policy is prop 13, which is a handout to rich homewoners that means they will never sell their houses (very nice for them, not so for anyone trying to get new housing)

Banning house building is not related to tax policy