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Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by LoveMortuus »

sensanaty wrote: post #718

Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

In regards to the dead internet hypothesis, the content that you're enjoying today, will still be there tomorrow. What I mean is if you, for example, like Mr.Beast, AI is not going to replace him and the content that he produces. Now, he might use AI to boost the productivity of his company, but the end result is still "making the best video ever" as he's often said.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by LauraMedia »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #741
sensanaty wrote: post #718

Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

In regards to the dead internet hypothesis, the content that you're enjoying today, will still be there tomorrow. What I mean is if you, for example, like Mr.Beast, AI is not going to replace him and the content that he produces. Now, he might use AI to boost the productivity of his company, but the end result is still "making the best video ever" as he's often said.

The big problem with this is that content is harder and harder to find. Try to find a non-AI generated reply to a viral post on Twitter, you're looking at having to scroll down 5-6 1080p screens to finally get to some actual stuff people wrote.

The content you're enjoying today still exists, but it's a needle in a haystack of AI spam

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by sharpshadow »

guappa wrote: post #692
WithinReason wrote: post #688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If weights are not the source, then if they gave you the training data and scripts but not the weights, would that be "open source"?

Yes, but they won't do that. Possibly because extensive copyright violation in the training data that they're not legally allowed to share.

If somebody would leak the training data and they would deny that it’s real ergo not getting sued and the data would be available.

Edit typo.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by _flux »

nightski wrote: post #604
stavros wrote: post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the discussion. We're talking about what open source is, and it's having the weights and the method to recreate the model. If someone gives me an executable that I can run for free, and then says "eh why do you want the source, it would take you a long time to compile", that doesn't make it open source, it just makes it gratis.

Calling weights an executable is disingenuous and not a serious discussion. You can do a lot more with weights than you could with a binary executable.

You can do a lot more with an executable as well than just execute it. So maybe the analogy is apt, even if not exact.

Actually executables you can reverse engineer it into something that could be compiled back into an executable with the exact same functionality, which is AFAIK impossible to do with "open weights". Still, we don't call free executables "open source".

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by kashyapc »

the8thbit wrote: post #12

"Eventually though, open source Linux gained popularity – initially because it allowed developers to modify its code however they wanted ..." I find the language around "open source AI" to be confusing. With "open source" there's usually "source" to open, right? As in, there is human legible code that can be read and modified by the user? If so, then how can current ML models be open source? They're very large matric…

I agree; there's a lot of muddiness in the term "open source AI". Earlier this year there was a talk[1] at FOSDEM, titled "Moving a step closer to defining Open Source AI". It is from someone at the Open Source Initiative. The video and slides are available in the link below[1]. From the abstract:

"Finding an agreement on what constitutes Open Source AI is the most important challenge facing the free software (also known as open source) movement. European regulation already started referring to "free and open source AI", large economic actors like Meta are calling their systems "open source" despite the fact that their license contain restrictions on fields-of-use (among other things) and the landscape is evolving so quickly that if we don't keep up, we'll be irrelevant."

[1] https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/event/fosdem-2024-2805-movi... defining-open-source-ai/

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by have_faith »

consf wrote: post #735
have_faith wrote: post #729

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feed certainly is, but I suspect most activity left on Facebook is happening in group pages. Groups are the only thing I still log in for as some of them, particularly the local ones, have no other way of taking part. They are also commonly membership by request and actively moderated. If I had the time (and energy) I might put some effort into advocating to moving to something else, but it will be an uphill batt…

The challenges of moving to alternative solutions

The irony of a bot account sliding into a convo about internet slop is not lost.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by jrnx »

have_faith wrote: post #729
sensanaty wrote: post #718

Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

The feed certainly is, but I suspect most activity left on Facebook is happening in group pages. Groups are the only thing I still log in for as some of them, particularly the local ones, have no other way of taking part. They are also commonly membership by request and actively moderated. If I had the time (and energy) I might put some effort into advocating to moving to something else, but it will be an uphill batt…

I'd assume that any platform which get's sufficiently popular will become a bot and AI content target...

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by elorant »

sensanaty wrote: post #718

Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

Every content that exists on the web could now be rewritten and repurposed by LLMs. This could lead into an explosion of web sites that could easily double in size every few years. Good luck indexing all that crap and deciding what is duplicate and what not.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by Angostura »

aiauthoritydev wrote: post #275
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

“The Heavy Press Program was a Cold War-era program of the United States Air Force to build the largest forging presses and extrusion presses in the world.” This ”program began in 1944 and concluded in 1957 after construction of four forging presses and six extruders, at an overall cost of $279 million. Six of them are still in operation today, manufacturing structural parts for military and commercial aircraft” [1].…

Overall government doing anything is a bad idea. There are cases however where government is the only entity that can do certain things. These are things that involve military, law enforcement etc. Outside of this we should rely on private industry and for-profit industry as much as possible.

To summarise: There are some things where government action is the best solution, however by default see if the private sector can sort it first.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Post by _flux »

gorgoiler wrote: post #462
the8thbit wrote: post #12

"Eventually though, open source Linux gained popularity – initially because it allowed developers to modify its code however they wanted ..." I find the language around "open source AI" to be confusing. With "open source" there's usually "source" to open, right? As in, there is human legible code that can be read and modified by the user? If so, then how can current ML models be open source? They're very large matric…

One counterpoint is that major publications (eg New York Times) would have you believe that AI is a mildly lossy compression algorithm capable of reconstructing the original source material.

I believe it is able to reconstruct parts of the original source material—if the interrogator already knows the original source material to prompt the model appropriately.
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