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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by PentiumBug »

gdwatson wrote: post #540
PentiumBug wrote: post #290

As a Cuban that is currently living in Cuba, I think it might be useful to voice my opinions, as I have read some comments here which I consider less than accurate in some respects. To avoid typing too much, I'll summarize with... bullet points? * The published figure of 10 million people is already outdated. First, they are official figures, which means that they are not telling the truth. Second, six months have el…

> Is Cuba a dictatorship? No. Would you clarify what you mean by this? Does the first secretary of the Communist party no longer have de facto dictatorial power?

In the past, when Fidel Castro was alive and in full posession of his faculties, you could easily say that he was a dictator. Everything of importance was designed, implemented, and micro managed by him. The man was a megalomaniac and, and history would show, also incompetent; but boy, the cult of personality goes deep here, not only in mass media but many of the sicophants.

Today the Secretary General has no power. Everybody knows that; along with the fact that he is also a puppet with the charisma of bucket half filled with sand. Guidance and executive power come first from the Central Committee; which I'm sure follows "tips" and "recommendations" from Raúl Castro (Fidel's brother), a man that should be effectively retired. Everybody knows that's not the case.

However, and being honest, I really don't care about labeling this place as a dictatorship or not (it is a fuzzy concept for me, and I won't fight hard for one or the other). Unless there's a clear definition, labels are sometimes subjective. Hell, this is not even a communist country, despite what they themselves like to present; this is not the dictatorship of the proletariat. And never was.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by rangestransform »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #692
rangestransform wrote: post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because legal immigrants are both pre-filtered and have something to lose, it’s more reasonable to take the approach that one crime is too many with immigration, rather than comparing with the crime rate of society at large.

This is a MAGA talking point so there are people who agree with your take. I think that is an unreasonable and ridiculous position given its impossibility. In light of how much the US benefits from immigration overall, it’s also shortsighted.

Zero immigrant crime is absolutely impossible, I agree, but targeting zero crime should be an immigration policy goal. Enshrining some moral obligation to help the rest of the world into law is wrong.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

avidphantasm wrote: post #735

Not a single mention in these comments of the US Embargo against Cuba. I’m sure Cuba has problems that are not directly because of the Embargo, but the Embargo makes dealing with all other problems much more difficult. Until the Embargo is lifted, I don’t see why people expect good outcomes for Cubans.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by ngcazz »

avidphantasm wrote: post #735

Not a single mention in these comments of the US Embargo against Cuba. I’m sure Cuba has problems that are not directly because of the Embargo, but the Embargo makes dealing with all other problems much more difficult. Until the Embargo is lifted, I don’t see why people expect good outcomes for Cubans.

Agree, although that expectation is a result of manufactured consent entirely consistent with imperialist logic - downplay the major factors (because you are their instigator) then blame the victim for their predicament.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by seydor »

mattmaroon wrote: post #730
seydor wrote: post #729

In southern europe we call this "Brain drain". It's a global phenomenon it seems, freedom of movement leads to contentration of productive forces to a few global cities, while the rest of the planet is increasingly deserted

Doesn’t brain drain imply the smarter people are moving? I’m not sure that’s what’s happening here. I think it’s anyone who can get out. When I was in Havana our AirBnB was next to the Spanish embassy. There was a long line every morning of potential emigres waiting for their turn. (I have no idea how the process works when they get to the front of the line, I just was told they were trying to get out of the country…

True, it's now also "Hands drain" too. The phenomenon has accelerated. Even (illegal) immigrants are moving to richer countries

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by vt85 »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by dazc »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

'Europe has a problem with integration that has its roots in the ethnic character of its states...'

In the UK we have large numbers of both Pakistani and Indian immigrants. One group has integrated mostly successfully in all walks of life and the other one has not.

Hard to argue that this has not been a consequence of choice although plenty of experts, who have never lived with 100 miles of these communities, tell us otherwise.

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Post by rangestransform »

defrost wrote: post #527
bufferoverflow wrote: post #511

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> I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform Republicans are anti-illegal immigration, not anti-immigration. Trump's wife is an immigrant. > because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. It would only be a brain drain if you filter by skills or IQ. But if you just let everyone in, you can make things worse, not…

The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%). Using the BJS statistics, the declines in the violent and property crime rates are even steeper than those captured in the FBI data. Per BJS, the U.S. violent and property crime rates each fell 71% between 1993 and 2022.…

How has property crime trended post pandemic though?

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Post by sickblastoise »

skrebbel wrote: post #686
noduerme wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

Great observation. I’m European and I agree. We Europeans love to look down upon America when it comes to stuff like functional government, bicycle paths and public services, but wrt immigration we’re so far behind the US, it’s not even funny. > a path toward integration (as in, "to become American"; there is neither an equivalent aspiration nor option "to become French") We really need to copy this vibe wholesale fr…

One thing nearly every American agrees on is if you’re a citizen, you’re American. It’s actually an extremely welcoming and beautiful thing about this country.
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