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Panic at the Job Market

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Post by ricardobayes »

bpm140 wrote: post #341
ricardobayes wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incidentally, I read a post today which swore that the only way to get hired is NOT to rely on network. Because hiring managers receive so many applications if you don't get your app in the first 24 hours it's guaranteed to be rejected. I think the network thing works only for smaller companies.

Not relying on your network sounds like terrible advice. Employee: “Hello, hiring manager. I know an incredible candidate for that job we posted last week.” Hiring manager: “Thanks, employee, but we have hundreds of resumes from strangers, so we don’t need to talk to your contact.” I’m not saying that never happens? But I am saying that it happens rarely enough that you shouldn’t use it to guide your networking strat…

In my experience, in bigger companies hiring managers seem to dislike this kind of "nepotism". The best they do normally these days is to give you the hr/recruitment email to send your application to. This is just some real-life experience based on recent job hunting.

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Post by xkcd1963 »

ktzar wrote: post #551

I have been trying to hire someone with more than a couple years experience in frontend and event sourcing with any language in the backend for weeks and 90% of the applicants are just people right off a bootcamp where they just do Django. then a couple no-shows and people who essentially add any tech they've heard of in their CV. In the past I've interviewed dozens of people who mention five DBMS in their resume but…

umm, may I contact you?

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

bmitc wrote: post #583
cryptica wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found a job as a developer after about 10 months of applying for 100 jobs per month. It was very weird this time round. Especially weird considering that my resume is exceptional (lots of experience; corporate, startup, back end, front end, full stack, distributed systems, open source). The list of technologies that I'm competent with is long and, for most of them, I've got open source projects to prove my claims.…

> This time round, employers had all kinds of weird esoteric requirements which made no sense. I have often seen some jobs that sounded like a directory level manager mixed with principal engineer mixed with principal scientist all into one job with the title "senior engineer". It's just bewildering who these people are that they're looking for with such requirements that aren't even in the "nice to have" category. >…

I have long maintained that real knowledge is a well guarded secret.

I want to say no, but I am old enough now to be able to compare to some of the previous positions and I can't help but wonder how much of all this is just posturing and bluffing ( fake it till you make it kinda deal ). I accept it was always there to an extent, but the current project I am a part of makes me question a lot.

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Post by tafox »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #144
tqi wrote: post #116

"if you meet an asshole in the morning, you met an asshole. if you meet assholes all day, you're the asshole."

Absolutely not true, it means you might e.g. be living in Berlin, or in Germany or Netherlands in general. Not everywhere people are nice and in some places they place a particular pride in being assholes.

As someone who has also lived in some of those places. This is always my reaction when I hear that quote.

It's like, no, some places really are just filled with assholes.

Maybe in America it's still true, but there I also feel like it's changing for the worse as well.

Not many friendly people walking around this planet anymore it seems.

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Post by rldjbpin »

trying to rejoin the tech industry only made me appreciate how easy we have it compared to the rest.

but when getting on the train becomes tough, it only makes getting off harder. i feel that the employers would (and does) weaponize it against our interests.

it is mental labour at the end of the day for most of us, and not sure much of that would change at a macro level. the current situation does not help either, but i am content with how we are doing relative to the rest of the market.

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Post by mypastself »

munificent wrote: post #304

I didn't read the article but if I'm looking at the initial graph right, it looks like software engineering job postings are higher today than they were before the pandemic. Obviously, they were higher during the pandemic, but that was a blip. It seems that after that, they're still in a better state then they were before.

I wonder if companies are now more likely to keep those postings open despite not actually hiring. I’m personally (and of course anecdotally) aware of a number of such cases.

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Post by casenmgreen »

robotnikman wrote: post #418
casenmgreen wrote: post #411

I could be utterly wrong, but I suspect part of this is that applying for jobs has become so quick and easy - a button click - that entities advertising jobs are utterly swamped with utterly worthless applications. It's a bit like email spam - I remember back in about 2000 and something, before I sorted out my own email, getting literally ten thousand plus spam emails per day. Imagine the same, but it's CVs, and some…

I've always wondered this myself. Seems like it would be trivial for someone to automate these one click applications.

A friend is recruitment in the UK branch of a company I know.

She says she is beginning to see AI generated covering letters - they don't properly match up to the CV.

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Post by crossroadsguy »

voiceblue wrote: post #715
weatherlite wrote: post #701

Sometimes I feel really bummed out I am getting 1/2 (or less?) of Google compensation. But then I open my eyes - see the workers in my daughter's kindergarten slaving away taking care of 30 toddlers for less than half what I make, nurses and doctors working in conditions I wouldn't be able to tolerate for more than a few months without mentally collapsing, the people in the supermarkets, gas stations, police, fire de…

As a Xoogler, I have to say Google isn’t what it once was. You pay for your high salary with the fact that the one thing you can be sure most people you work with care about is how much money they extract out of Google and how they could get more. Taking care of toddlers is ostensibly a better use of the one life you get.

Nope; not with the abysmal pay. Or actually not unless it's my toddler. I mean it; respectfully.

(Longer PS. Teachers taking care of toddlers usually have a miserable time doing that and most of them are not there by choice in case you were wondered about that. While they are there they take care of them not out of some love or fulfilment but because that is required of them as part of their roles. That's it. It's a job for them, like yours is a job for you.)

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Post by jen729w »

bmitc wrote: post #249
evrimoztamur wrote: post #23

I will add my two cents for people who believe that this might be related only to the SWE and tangent industries: It's really not. I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from finance to fashion, or just trying to get promoted vertically (or horizontally), failing rather miserably. Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideratio…

> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…

As a lifetime contractor, I felt this all the time. So I spoke to the boss of one of the recruitment agencies and said, hey. Isn’t this a job I’d be good at? Recruiting? Because I actually know what the hell I’m on about?

And he said, sure, and I’d hire you! But you’d be bored to death within a week because every day is exactly the same.

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Post by petters »

Terr_ wrote: post #476
rafaelmn wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As in, a person who has used and learned a dozen plus languages but only tacitly used C++ suddenly will be a complete invalid when trying to write in C++? I've switched at least 5 languages professionally and used probably 5 more for extended periods of time and wrote a decent chunk of C++ "back in the day". I'd say C++ is the least suitable for "learn on the job" approach out of any language I can think of (I'm lu…

> I'd say C++ is the least suitable for "learn on the job" approach out of any language I can think of Anecdote: I've got a couple languages and decades under my belt, and a very simple C/C++ Arduino project is making me doubt my sanity. Ex: Serial.printf("%s", String("Hello world...")); // Emits 4 nonsense bytes... But shorter literals work fine. ________________________ EDIT: To save readers some time--I didn't int…

This is more of a C question than C++.

In a C++ library you would probably make the format function type safe. But both Clang and gcc have annotations you can add to functions using format strings so they are type-checked

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