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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cchance »

Nition wrote: post #655

Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for th…

LOL that image you painstakingly created is also forgotten not long after being given to most people, just because you know the effort that went in doesn't mean the receiving person does 99.9% of the time.

Same thing for your kid, the kid likes both stories, gives 0 shit that you used GenAI or sat up for 8 hours trying to figure out the rhyme, those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cchance »

Nition wrote: post #690
rising-sky wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could say the same thing for sending a Happy Birthday text, versus a hand written letter or card. Nothing is stopping a person from sending the latter today, and yes they are more appreciated, but people also appreciate the text. For example, if you're remote and perhaps don't have that deep of a relationship with them

I guess the question is, is sending an AI Happy Birthday image better than sending a Happy Birthday text?

Nope their identical, but the AI one at least looks cool lol

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by doctorpangloss »

talldayo wrote: post #523
skhunted wrote: post #505

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I don’t follow your second to last paragraph. It’s called Apple Intelligence. If you want to use something else do so but don’t expect Apple to build its own product and let you use whatever you want for it. Clearly the goal for Apple is to eventually use its own models and be an entirely in house product.

> Clearly the goal for Apple is to eventually use its own models and be an entirely in house product. If that turns out anything like Siri, then surely you would understand why people want a bring-your-own-model framework.

I don't comprehend how people are not more angry about how utterly shitty the Apple coerced apps are.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by iLoveOncall »

doctor_eval wrote: post #681
iLoveOncall wrote: post #610

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Yep. I remember vividly the comment on Windows Recall that said if the same was done by Apple it would be applauded. Here we are.

At the risk of sounding like an Apple apologist, Apple has a pretty good (though not perfect) track record for privacy and security. Microsoft on the other hand… well, I understand they just pulled the recall feature after it was discovered the data wasn’t even encrypted at rest?!

If anything Recall is MORE privacy respectful than this since everything is stored and processed on your device and you can access (and easily alter) the database, exclude specific applications, websites (for Edge for now), etc.

I'm not saying it's not an awful feature, I will disable it as soon as it is installed.

The fact that it's not encrypted at rest really is the least of my concerns (though it does show the lack of care and planning). For this to be a problem, an attacker already has all the necessary accesses to your computer to either get your encryption key or do devastating damage anyway.

> At the risk of sounding like an Apple apologist, Apple has a pretty good (though not perfect) track record for privacy and security.

"Not perfect" is enough to be concerned. I would also not be surprised that their good reputation is more due to their better ability at hiding their data collection and related scandals rather than due to any care for the user.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by lz400 »

I suppose it was to be expected by IMHO this takes the wind out of the sails of the OpenAI / Apple deal. In the end they don't let OpenAI get into the internals of iOS / Siri, it's just a run of the mill integration. They actually are competing with ChatGPT and I assume eventually they expect to replace it and cancel the integration.

The OpenAI integration also seems setup to data mine ChatGPT. They will have data that says Customer X requested question Q and got answer A from Siri, which he didn't like and went to ChatGPT instead, and got answer B, which he liked. Ok, there's a training set.

I'm always wrong in prediction and will be wrong here but I'd expect openAI is a bad spot long term, doesn't look like they have a product strong enough to withstand the platform builders really going in AI. Once Siri works well, you will never open ChatGPT again.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by thomasahle »

tonyabracadabra wrote: post #538
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

The image generation is dalle 2.5 level and feels really greasy to me, beyond that I think the overall launch is pretty good! I also congratulate rabbit r1 for their timely release months before WWDC https://heymusic.ai/music/apple-intel-fEoSb

The generated image of two dice (https://x.com/thomasahle/status/1800258720074490245) was dalle 1 level.

Just randomly sprinkled eyes on the sides. I wonder why they chose to showcase that.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by rurp »

barkerja wrote: post #614
skilled wrote: post #564

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I wonder if Apple ever approached Google about using Gemini as the flagship integration. I say that because during the keynote I kept thinking to myself, this could be the moment that Google realises it needs to stick to what it knows best - Search - and all they have to do is sit back and watch the hype fade away. But that’s in a perfect world. Even to this day, post ChatGPT, I still can’t imagine how I would ever u…

My understanding is that Apple's approach to this integration is adaptable; much like how you would change your browser's search engine, you'll be able to change which external AI model is utilized. ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, etc.

I don't think the choice of integration really matters for GP's point. Regardless of which model is used, how useful is the ability to rewrite an email in AI Voice really going to be? If I'm struggling over how to word an email there's usually a specific reason for it; maybe I'm trying to word things for a very particular audience or trying to find a concise way to cover something complicated that I have a lot of knowledge of. General purpose language model output wouldn't help at all in those cases.

I'm sure there are usecases for this and the other GenAI features, but they seem more like mildly useful novelties than anything revolutionary.

There's risk to this as well. Making it easier to produce low value slop will probably lead to more of it and could actually make communication worse overall.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cchance »

asimpletune wrote: post #162

Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

This something else is it pushes people to even more heavily dive into the ecosystem, if it works how they show you really want it to understand your life, so you'll want all your devices able to help build that net of data to provide your context to all your devices for answering about events and stuff, meaning hey maybe i should get an appletv instead of a chromecast so that siri knows about my shows and stuff too.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by [deleted] »

criddell wrote: post #521
anonbanker wrote: post #447

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And nobody cares about how absolutely terrifying your statement truly is, because the shiny benefits obfuscate the destruction of privacy, despite Apple's reassurances.

The upsides are obvious and concrete, the downsides are mostly hypotheticals. People already carry around a device with a GPS, camera, and microphone that has access to most of their intimate and personal communications and finances. Adding AI capabilities doesn't seem like a bridge too far, that's for sure.

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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dialup_sounds »

WheatMillington wrote: post #669
theshrike79 wrote: post #490

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Apple is again going where Google (the world's largest ad company) cannot follow: 100% user privacy. They really hammered in the fact that every bit is going to be either fully local or publicly auditable to be private. There's no way Google can follow, they need the data for their ad modeling. Even if they anonymise it, they still want it.

They literally announced their partnership with OpenAI today, and I've seen no sign of this data being "publicly auditable" - can you share this with me?

https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/
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