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Post by kaliqt »

kemotep wrote: post #713
panick21_ wrote: post #563

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I mean of course Mars colonization is crazy. Being skeptical is reasonable, even Musk himself is skeptical and gives it a low chance of success. But we know for sure we will not get there if we don't try. That the ship in principle is capable of landing on Mars doesn't seem that crazy. They are designing with that in mind from the beginning. Again, that's difficult but very possible with current technology. The more…

Musk held an event earlier this year where he outlined how SpaceX was going to get 1 million people to Mars by the 2050’s. That’s not really being skeptical. The plan he outlined is so ambitious that it is entirely unrealistic to the point of being almost straight fantasy. The number of Starships needing to be built, the amount of launches necessary to send that many people, and other details don’t line up. I am not…

It would be significantly less people required to be sent as if enough fertile male-female pairs are sent then childbirth can 4x or more the original number of colonists.

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

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Post by ceejayoz »

kemotep wrote: post #713
panick21_ wrote: post #563

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I mean of course Mars colonization is crazy. Being skeptical is reasonable, even Musk himself is skeptical and gives it a low chance of success. But we know for sure we will not get there if we don't try. That the ship in principle is capable of landing on Mars doesn't seem that crazy. They are designing with that in mind from the beginning. Again, that's difficult but very possible with current technology. The more…

Musk held an event earlier this year where he outlined how SpaceX was going to get 1 million people to Mars by the 2050’s. That’s not really being skeptical. The plan he outlined is so ambitious that it is entirely unrealistic to the point of being almost straight fantasy. The number of Starships needing to be built, the amount of launches necessary to send that many people, and other details don’t line up. I am not…

Musk timelines are always absurd, but SpaceX has eventually done a lot of stuff previously thought to be infeasible. I remember ULA pooh-poohing reusability.

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Post by kaliqt »

positr0n wrote: post #651
somenameforme wrote: post #462

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Here's where things get really counter-intuitive. If Starship lives up to even a fraction of its potential, it's likely Falcon 9 will be completely retired, because Starship will cost less to launch! The entire point of the Starship is complete and instantaneous reuse. The idea is to have it launching something up, landing right back into its launch pad slot, and then going again. The ridiculous cost saving potential…

What are some example applications that could change life overnight, besides planet-wide connectivity?

To be brief:

Large orbital habitats, like Elysium. Asteroid, moon, and Mars mining. Colonization of the aforementioned, space trade and shipping between Mankind's Interstellar Empire.

Demand will rise for energy production and terraforming, all kinds of things will boom. All of a sudden we'll have 100,000x more resources per man than we have now.

Everything changes on that track. Everything.

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Post by hrnnnnnn »

tsimionescu wrote: post #678
hrnnnnnn wrote: post #653

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Future perfect and future perfect continuous, respectively, if you're interested in the names.

They're both future perfect I believe, of the verbs "to have" and "to be". Future perfect continuous is "will have been filming", this was "will have been fine".

What's the difference between those two?

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Post by Paradigma11 »

avmich wrote: post #444
vl wrote: post #376

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Mars launch window is every two years. It is very inefficient to launch at other times. As for moon, I'm surprised with the estimate you have provided. Apollo needed just one launch for each mission. Even if SpaceX will do orbital re-fueling, it's just two-three launches, why would you need more? BTW, the idea of getting heavy Starship to the moon and back is interesting, but at the end flying the vehicle optimized f…

> My prediction that they quickly will go to specialized LEO-LMO vehicles with LEO re-fueling. Two comments here. First, we assume now SpaceX is going to have Starship HLS - human landing system - which doesn't go back to Earth, doesn't have flaps or heat shield, and is going to be used between low Moon orbit (LMO) and Moon surface - maybe one roundtrip, maybe more. Yes, for each following roundtrip HLS needs to be r…

Having a serious moon base enables us to build space ship designs not dominated by aerodynamic and gravitational limitations.

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Post by scotty79 »

FredPret wrote: post #611
xcv123 wrote: post #588

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6. Accept Japan's request for peace negotiations. Stop fighting and begin negotiating their conditional surrender.

And let them continue to fuck up China and the whole Pacific region, only to come back swinging a couple of decades later

And now US fears China instead. You can't come out on top. Why not commit less atrocities on the way wherever you are going?

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Post by sandworm101 »

somenameforme wrote: post #344
bearjaws wrote: post #3

The rate of descent is absolutely astonishing, 8km -> 1km in 20 seconds, then just hovers above the water. Absolutely incredible work by the SpaceX team. Living in central Florida I cannot wait for the new launch facility to come online. We're going to have lines of spectators into the space coast like we did for the shuttle. If any of you are heading to Disney World you should stop by the NASA Kennedy Visitor Comple…

The 'worst' thing about watching space launches on streams is that you simply cannot grasp how ridiculously huge these things are. Even if, like in the stream today, you see a water tower for some scale, the size discrepancies just make it so hard to intuit. Starship is 121 meters high. That's something taller than a football field, jetting off into space! I've only gotten to see a decommissioned Space Shuttle in per…

Work around ships and those rockets will seem very much smaller. Try walking under the hull of a tanker in drydock. While we call SpaceX rockets "big" by aerospace standards, they land on barges we call "small" by maritime standards.

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Post by me_me_me »

zpeti wrote: post #202
simiones wrote: post #173

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Columbus very very much didn't plan to die (though he very much would have if he didn't get lucky that there was a whole new continent there). His plan was to land in India, which he thought he would reach around the time he actually reached the new continent, because he had a completely wrong idea of how large the globe actually was (he alone had this wrong idea; the actual circumference of the globe was pretty well…

Ok great, you’re definitely right, let’s not do it. What now? Will Elon stop? If Elon doesn’t stop, does that make you right?

If elon decides to make humans fly and move objects with their will power. Will you defend it the same way?

Cuz probability of both are closer to each other that to probability of them being achievable.

Getting to mars would require a technological leap. Planes -> rockets kind of leap.

Currently we have yet to be able to get back to the moon.

Creating self sustained colony on earth would require some kind of technological miracle.

And it will not be enough to use few nukes to malt ice caps on mars.

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