The fact that they did it anyway and only took it down after legal threat tells you these are not the people you want to be in charge of such powerful systems. They want their cake and to eat it too, and regular humans be screwed over in the process. I think a relinquishment of power is in order. OpenAI should truly be open and there should be large public discussion forums regarding changes moving forward.
Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice
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And they could have totally get away with it by never mentioning the name of Scarlett. But of course, that is not what they wanted. Edit: to clarify, since it is not exactly identical voice, or even not that close, they can plausibly deny it, and we never new what their intention was. But in this case, they have clearly created the voice to represent Scarlett's voice to demonstrate the capabilities of their product i…
> since it is not exactly identical voice, or even not that close, they can plausibly deny it When studios approach an actress A and she refuses, then another actress B takes the role, is that infringing on A's rights? Or should they just scrap the movie? Maybe if they replicated a scene from the A's movies or there was striking likeness between the voices... but not generally.
> When studios approach an actress A and she refuses, then another actress B takes the role, is that infringing on A's rights? Or should they just scrap the movie?
The scenario would have been that they approach none.
Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice
#743This is the first I've heard of this, but I've used the "Sky" voice extensively and never once thought it sounded like Johansson. Has anyone else noticed a similarity? To me they sound pretty different, Johansson's voice is much more raspy.
There's two different things: the Sky voice they launched last year, as heard here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcgV2u9Kxh0 . The voice actor is the same, but the intonation is fairly flat. They changed the voice to intone like Scarlett Johansson's character. It's like they changed the song the voice was singing to one that lots of people recognise.
That's a big stretch. Allowing intonation to be copyrighted would be incredibly silly. The timeline and intention makes sense but this being "similar" would never win and it shouldn't. Sam should have kept his mouth shut.
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#744Sam Altman doesn't inspire confidence in where AI companies are going with user consent. And the board can't even remove him even if he takes OpenAI to the wrong path. He is the board and the company.
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They stole someone’s voice after being told not to? They unleashed a massive new wave of spam and scams and garbage onto the Internet? Because they’re stealing every single bit of content on the Internet and everywhere else they can get their hands on without paying anything for it and then expect to sell it back to us in chewed up garbage form? They help single-handedly cause MS to blast past their carbon commitment…
> They stole someone’s voice after being told not to?
Stole someone's voice? That's not stealing, let's not pump more power for copyright propaganda even if this case is correct.
Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice
#746I think it’s interesting that Johansson chose to forgo substantial royalties and collaboration potential But it must feel pretty fucking weird and violatory when you spend your entire life thinking about how you are going to deliver certain lines and that’s your creative Body of work, and then for someone to just take that Voice and apply it to any random text that can be generated? I get why she wouldn’t want to let…
Were royalties in the picture? Don't think it's crazy to think that a company obsessed with replacing artists wouldn't value one enough to pay royalties. And in terms of collaboration potential... OpenAI is a big draw for businesses and a subset of tech enthusiasts, but I don't think artists in any industry are dying to collaborate with them.
According to Open AI's post about the Sky voice controversy:
"Each actor receives compensation above top-of-market rates, and this will continue for as long as their voices are used in our products."
https://openai.com/index/how-the-voices-for-chatgpt-were-cho...
Not sure if this is royalties, but it seems like there's some form of long term compensation. But it's a little vague so not sure.
Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice
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Scarlett Johansson made Disney cave. She’s going to absolutely destroy this band of grifters.
Not only that, I don’t think Disney wants this precedent. They may also want to get back on her good side. Either way given they own a number of movies with her in starring roles I wouldn’t be surprised if they were happy to help in her lawsuit with the legal fees. Hell they may sue on their own or join as another damaged party.
I’m sure they are salivating at the thought of discovery forcing OAI to crack open their datasets so they can put a dollar amount to every piece of infringing material in there.
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Bloomberg's Odd Lots Podcast had an ex-CIA officer, Phil Houston, on in April of 2024. He was promoting a new book but he had a lot of great advice for anyone to use regarding 'tells' when people are lying. Murati was clearly lying- that's obvious then and now. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/an-ex-cia-officer-expl...
Could you explain what "to use regarding 'tells'" means in this context?
A "tell" in this case is domain-specific terminology to denote a behavior that provides information that the person may have been trying to keep secret. I believe the term comes from poker:
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it could make life better for a lot of people, but training their models on copyright material, which makes life worse for another set of people.
I think majority agrees that we're ok with a few millionaire priviledge actors losing small amount of their value in favor of personal AI assistants for general populace. How is that even a topic worth discussing is trully perplexing.
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Not going to lie, he had me. He appeared very genuine and fair in almost all media he appeared like podcasts but many of his actions are just so hard to justify.
He has a certain charm and seeming sincerity when he talks. But the more I see of him, the more disturbing I find him -- he combines the Mark Zuckerberg stare with the Elizabeth Holmes vocal fry.
Do you have a link to a video of Altman's voice shifting from controlled deep to nasal?
The videos of Elizabeth Holmes not being able to keep up with the faked deep tone are textbook-worthy...