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Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by threatofrain »

Hugsun wrote: post #581
langsoul-com wrote: post #416

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Why would anyone start the game on hard mode when easy mode is a border drive away? Us is so outrageously better than the rest that people fly across oceans to start businesses there. Canada, being next door, doesn't have the distance moat to at least slow down the brain drain

That's such a frustrating thing. There are so many opportunities in SF alone. But I really don't want to live there.

There are also plenty of opportunities in the SV outside of SF which have a very, very different vibe.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by shwaj »

senseiV wrote: post #724
CooCooCaCha wrote: post #689

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“Its biggest issue is in the productization.” That’s not true at all. The biggest issue is that it doesn’t work. You can’t actually trust ai systems and that’s not a product issue.

if the ai is the product, and the product isnt trustable, isnt that a product issue??

It’s a core technology issue.

The AI isn’t the product, e.g. the ChatGPT interface is the main product that is layered above the core AI tech.

The issue is trustworthiness isn’t solvable by applying standard product management techniques on a predictable schedule. It requires scientific research.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by tivert »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #689
kinnth wrote: post #607

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AI has now evolved beyond just the science and it's biggest issue is in the productization. Finding use cases for what's already available ALONG with new models will be where success lies. ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI and as such needs to learn what it's selling, not how its technology works. It always sucks when mission and vision don't align with the nerds ideas, but I think it's probably the best move for b…

“Its biggest issue is in the productization.” That’s not true at all. The biggest issue is that it doesn’t work. You can’t actually trust ai systems and that’s not a product issue.

> That’s not true at all. The biggest issue is that it doesn’t work. You can’t actually trust ai systems and that’s not a product issue.

I don't know about that, it seems to work just fine at creating spam and clone websites.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by shwaj »

anthonypasq wrote: post #725
fprog wrote: post #594

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Except OpenAI hasn’t yet finished discovery on its true goal: AGI. I wonder if they risk plateauing at a local maximum.

how do you know that is actually currently their true goal. it appears to me that the goal has shifted, and the people that cared about the original goal are leaving.

I’m pretty sure Altman still cares about full AGI, if only because of the power inherent in achieving that goal.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by Gud »

criddell wrote: post #629
nabla9 wrote: post #471

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There are no moats in deep learning, everything changes so fast. They have the next iteration of GPT Sutskever helped to finalize. OpenAI lost it's future unless they find new same caliber people.

Isn't access to massive datasets and computation the moat? If you and your very talented friends wanted to build something like GPT-4, could you? It's going to get orders of magnitude less expensive, but for now, the capital requirements feel like a pretty deep moat.

How do you know massive datasets are required? Just because that’s how current LLMs operate, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the only solution.

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

Jensson wrote: post #722
xdennis wrote: post #696

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> An AGI could replace human experts at tasks that doesn't require physical embodiment, like diagnosing patients, drafting contracts, doing your taxes etc. How come the goal posts for AGI are always the best of what people can do? I can't diagnose anyone, yet I have GI. Reminds me of: > Will Smith: Can a robot write a symphony? Can a robot take a blank canvas and turn it into a masterpiece? > I Robot: Can you?

> How come the goal posts for AGI are always the best of what people can do? Not the best, I just want it to be able to do what average professionals can do because average humans can become average professionals in most fields. > I can't diagnose anyone, yet I have GI. You can learn to, an AGI system should be able to learn to as well. And since we can copy AGI learning it means that if it hasn't learned to diagnose…

People with severe Alzheimer's cannot learn, but still have general intelligence.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by tbrownaw »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #689
kinnth wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI has now evolved beyond just the science and it's biggest issue is in the productization. Finding use cases for what's already available ALONG with new models will be where success lies. ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI and as such needs to learn what it's selling, not how its technology works. It always sucks when mission and vision don't align with the nerds ideas, but I think it's probably the best move for b…

“Its biggest issue is in the productization.” That’s not true at all. The biggest issue is that it doesn’t work. You can’t actually trust ai systems and that’s not a product issue.

It works fine for some things. You just need a clearly defined task where LLM + human reviewer is on average faster (ie cheaper) than a human doing the same task themselves without that assistance.

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Post by willhslade »

jpalawaga wrote: post #703
boringg wrote: post #691

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I've thought about this one for a long time having lived in both SV and Canada. It is a complicated one but there are a handful of critical road blocks in Canada that make it more challenging. (1) Access to size of market even if online being US vs 'foreign' has advantages in political arena/regulatory benefits (2) Significant tax advantages for US investors vs limited tax advantages for Canada (Angel+VC) (3) Risk Ap…

if the idea that high taxes disincentivizes people from building stuff, california would be a wasteland. but that's not what we see. people build because they still have a chance a making a lot of money. also, like canada can build successfully tech companies. yes, I realize there should be more canadian tech darlings, but I don't think it has to do with high taxes so much as it has to do with Canadians being comfort…

Nortel imploded, though. Self driving cars. Bitcoin. Canadian institutional investors are wary.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by sniggers »

melodyogonna wrote: post #403
justanotherjoe wrote: post #316

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Musk involvement was with the money. I really doubt he researched enough to know who Ilya was at the time.

Didn't need all that research. Musk was friends with Larry Page, as Google was leading AI research they were bound to have conversations about the smartest researchers in the team. Also, you underestimate Elon Musk if you think he's not capable of researching specialists in the fields he is interested in, I believe many people are hellbent on attributing all his successes to dumb luck rather than any sort of competen…

Yep. It's amazing to see how quickly people start denying reality when they don't like someone's beliefs/behavior.

I could acknowledge that a hypothetical smart, woke, furry, trans, porn-addicted programmer that regularly makes great FOSS contributions is intelligent and capable while still disliking their beliefs/behavior.

Separate the "art" from the "artist."

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

jpalawaga wrote: post #703
boringg wrote: post #691

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I've thought about this one for a long time having lived in both SV and Canada. It is a complicated one but there are a handful of critical road blocks in Canada that make it more challenging. (1) Access to size of market even if online being US vs 'foreign' has advantages in political arena/regulatory benefits (2) Significant tax advantages for US investors vs limited tax advantages for Canada (Angel+VC) (3) Risk Ap…

if the idea that high taxes disincentivizes people from building stuff, california would be a wasteland. but that's not what we see. people build because they still have a chance a making a lot of money. also, like canada can build successfully tech companies. yes, I realize there should be more canadian tech darlings, but I don't think it has to do with high taxes so much as it has to do with Canadians being comfort…

I think it has much more to do with investors' sentiments. Canadian entrepreneurs are not comfortable; that's why they move to the US. But that's not because they don't like Canada. Moving is a big sacrifice -- they move away from their home and community, and also deal with the headache and uncertainty of US immigration. The ones I talk to who have moved down south, they miss Canada and didn't want to leave, but they didn't feel like they'd be able to afford the cost of living in Canada, and didn't think they could launch a successful startup there.

And the cost of living is going up, which is going to make even more talented Canadians uncomfortable. These days if you ever hope to own a house, you basically can't go the stable 9-to-5 route.

If investors in Canada were throwing hundreds of millions into moonshot startups the way that they do in Silicon Valley, probably most Canadian entrepreneurs would build those companies at home. But the investment landscape is such that the investors who have that much money opt to lever up on real estate instead.

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