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Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by throw__away7391 »

cyrialize wrote: post #409

Does anyone know how to handle the depression/doom one feels with these updates? Yes, it's a great technical achievement, but I just worry for the future. We don't have good social safety nets, and we aren't close to UBI. It's difficult for me to see that happen unless something drastic changes. I'm also afraid of one company just having so much power. How does anyone compete?

Something I've realized over time is that however good things get, what people really want is to have more than their neighbors rather than any particular quality of life. In many ways you can with a relatively basic job live far, far better than the richest kings could dream of a few hundred years ago. Something as simple as being able to eat strawberries in December was described as literal magic in fairy tales fairly recently. Nevertheless this does not satisfy that need for social prestige and they are profoundly unhappy as a result.

I don't think anything will fix or change this, definitely not UBI, the situation is a fundamental part of the human condition. I share your dread and fear that I will not be able to compete, even if my life improves by all other measures.

The one thing that would dramatically change my calculus is medical advances that significantly push back death and aging.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by jimbob45 »

cyrialize wrote: post #409

Does anyone know how to handle the depression/doom one feels with these updates? Yes, it's a great technical achievement, but I just worry for the future. We don't have good social safety nets, and we aren't close to UBI. It's difficult for me to see that happen unless something drastic changes. I'm also afraid of one company just having so much power. How does anyone compete?

I’m ecstatic about the future of education. I remember many occasions of teachers going, “Gosh, I wish I could show you guys this”. Now, they can with speed and ease. I’m particularly excited for ESL learners to have high-quality low-cost tools on hand for personalized learning for every child.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by j45 »

cyrialize wrote: post #409

Does anyone know how to handle the depression/doom one feels with these updates? Yes, it's a great technical achievement, but I just worry for the future. We don't have good social safety nets, and we aren't close to UBI. It's difficult for me to see that happen unless something drastic changes. I'm also afraid of one company just having so much power. How does anyone compete?

I tell myself it’s important to try and be less myopic.

One reason is, readiness of tech does not mean it’s being applied.

Another is just like one OpenAI came out of no where, others will too. It’s normal to be focused on a few things to lose sight of that.

Gemini realistically does some impressive things.

What can we do?

Building the tech is important but applying it well for actual adoption is still wide open for the average persons use.

It does seem to mean that what we think might take 5y probably will take 1y in 2024, if not less like 2023. So think 10x, and 10x again as the real goal.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by justanotherjoe »

What the f. What. I'm no AI pessimist by any means but I thought there are some significant hurdles before we get realistic, video generation without guidance. This is nothing short of amazing.

It's doubly amazing when you think that the richness of video data is almost infinitely more than text, and require no human made data.

The next step is to combine LLM with this, not for multimodal, but to team up together to make a 'reality model' that can work together to make a shared understanding?

I called LLMs 'language induced reality model' in the past. Then this is 'video induced reality model', which is far better at modeling reality than just language, as humans have testified.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by Crespyl »

snewman wrote: post #641
neutralx wrote: post #378

Has anyone else noticed the leg swap in Tokyo video at 0:14. I guess we are past uncanny, but I do wonder if these small artifacts will always be present in generated content. Also begs the question, if more and more children are introduced to media from young age and they are fed more and more with generated content, will they be able to feel "uncanniness" or become completely blunt to it. There's definitely interes…

There are definitely artifacts. Go to the 9th video in the first batch, the one of the guy sitting on a cloud reading a book. Watch the book; the pages are flapping in the wind in an extremely strange way.

In the one with the cat waking up its owner, the owners shoulder turns into a blanket corner when she rolls over.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by gwd »

theptip wrote: post #595
Animats wrote: post #588

The Hollywood Reporter says many in the industry are very scared.[1] “I’ve heard a lot of people say they’re leaving film,” he says. “I’ve been thinking of where I can pivot to if I can’t make a living out of this anymore.” - a concept artist responsible for the look of the Hunger Games and some other films. "A study surveying 300 leaders across Hollywood, issued in January, reported that three-fourths of respondents…

Probably a bad time to be an actor. Amazing time to be a wannabe director or producer or similar creative visionary. Bad time to be high up in a hierarchical/gatekeeping/capital-constrained biz like Hollywood. Amazing time to be an aspirant that would otherwise not have access to resources, capital, tools in order to bring their ideas to fruition. On balance I think the ‘20s are going to be a great decade for creativ…

> Probably a bad time to be an actor.

I don't see why -- the distance between "here's something that looks almost like a photo, moving only a little bit like a mannequin" and "here's something that has the subtle facial expressions and voice to convey complex emotions" is pretty freaking huge; to the point where the vast majority of actual humans fail to be that good at it. At any rate, the number of BNNs (biological neural networks) competing with actors has only been growing, with 8 billion and counting.

> Amazing time to be a wannabe director or producer or similar creative visionary. Amazing time to be an aspirant that would otherwise not have access to resources, capital, tools in order to bring their ideas to fruition.

Perhaps if you mainly want to do things for your own edification. If you want to be able to make a living off it, you're suddenly going to be in a very, very flooded market.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by dang »

Related ongoing thread: Video generation models as world simulators - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39391458 - Feb 2024 (43 comments)

Also (since it's been a while): there are over 2000 comments in the current thread. To read them all, you need to click More links at the bottom of the page, or like this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=2

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=3

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=4[etc.]

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by daxfohl »

noisy_boy wrote: post #700

To those who are saying, look at this at a positive and it lets people unleash their creativity? - This enables everyone to be creators - Given that everyone's creativity isn't top notch, highest quality will be limited to a the best - So rest of us will be consumers - How will we consume if we don't have work and there is no UBI?

We won't and the world will go into a massive depression, destroying the market for AI produced garbage and staving off global warming for a few extra years in the process. So even better than UBI.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by justworkout »

patall wrote: post #406
crazygringo wrote: post #190

This is insane. But I'm impressed most of all by the quality of motion . I've quite simply never seen convincing computer-generated motion before . Just look at the way the wooly mammoths connect with the ground, and their lumbering mass feels real. Motion-capture works fine because that's real motion, but every time people try to animate humans and animals, even in big-budget CGI movies, it's always ultimately obvio…

I disagree, just look at the legs of the woman in the first video. First she seems to be limping, than the legs rotate. The mammoth are totally uncanny for me as its both running and walking at the same time. Don't get me wrong, it is impressive. But I think many people will be very uncomfortable with such motion very quickly. Same story as the fingers before.

I think a lot of these issues could be "solved" by lowering the resolution, using a low quality compression algorithm, and trimming clips down to under 10 seconds.

And by solved, I mean they'll create convincing clips that'll be hard for people to dismiss unless they're really looking closely. I think it's only a matter of time until fake video clips lead to real life outrage and violence. This tech is going to be militarized before we know it.

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