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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by jraph »

wolpoli wrote: post #693

Now that Bard is Gemini, it's going to be impossible to find any information on the Gemini protocol/Gemini clients/Gemini sites. It's not very nice for Google to use the same name.

Yeah, they keep doing this. Came to say this (I don't quite care about / for the product itself).

They introduced Google Meet when Jitsi Meet already existed and is a similar product! It was easy to call it Google Call, or I don't know, figure it out. You haven't ran out of synonyms for Talk yet despite the huge churn. There are certainly sexier possible names than "Meet" too. Or than Gemini.

Come on, you can find names that don't clash with existing products. You have dedicated teams for this. You've heard about the existing stuff. I'm sure you do extensive research when picking a name, to avoid lawsuits if nothing else. Also Someone has heard of Gemini at Google. Someone has heard of Jitsi Meet at Google. It has to be intentional.

Of course Gemini comes from Greek mythology, nobody can claim the exclusivity on this, and here it's not even a competitor. Meet is a generic term too.

They chose the name clashes. It's highly likely they can't be sued for this. But still. Legal ≠ right. Find something else.

Rant over.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by qingcharles »

bethekind wrote: post #441
qingcharles wrote: post #436

Damn. Even more censored than GPT. My gf is a model and I use GPT all the time to write the alt text descriptions of her photos, but it balks regularly on things like lingerie photos. Same crap with Gemini: "Sorry I can't help with that image. Try uploading another image or describing the image you tried to upload and I can help you that way."

What's your current preferred method to generate images of your gf? ComfyUI combined with a Stable DiffusionXL checkpoint?

Ooo, burn.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by mos_basik »

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

Honestly surprised I'm the first to mention the name collision with the retro-modern linked documents protocol I keep hearing about (on HN) https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq-section-1.gmi

But glass half full, maybe it's for the better to have one's name shadowed by a Google product if one prefers to avoid eternal septembering one's community.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by dgunay »

TillE wrote: post #644
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm sure "Bard" was primarily a Shakespeare reference (The Bard of Avon, frequently just The Bard), and I liked it too. An appropriate name for a technology that's all about language. Gemini sounds cool and sci-fi though, and maybe it's a bit easier to localize since it's just straight Latin.

It's not a bad name, but personally when I first heard the name Bard I chuckled because LLMs had already come under so much criticism for their tendency to embellish the truth or say stuff that is just straight up false but sounds cool.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by bmicraft »

benreesman wrote: post #694
airstrike wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The broad name is ChatGPT, not GPT-4

That’s fair, though given the stark UI cue / cost difference, I’m not surprised when I overhear in a random cafe or bar: “yeah but what did ChatGPT Four say?” In any event, it seems that the image of a Decepticon ready for battle on your behalf has a lot more traction than the image of a quaint singer/priest/poet always there with a verbal shot in the arm when the going is tough.

They literally call it "ChatGPT 4" (with a colored 4) in the app though

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by famouswaffles »

thuuuomas wrote: post #556
empath-nirvana wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such a weird test. 99.9% of humans wouldn't even understand the question, let alone be able to formulate a coherent answer for it.

Why is this relevant to the performance of a computer program? It makes sense to me that computer programs & humans should continue to be judged by different standards.

If a good chunk of humans can't pass your "general intelligence test" then it's not by definition a general intelligence test unless humans are not generally intelligent.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by Havoc »

dominik wrote: post #332
jsty wrote: post #13

FYI for any Googlers - On the "Sorry, Gemini advanced isn't available for you" page, clicking "Learn More" gives you a (presumably internal) SSO sign-on (links to https://support.corp.google.com/googleone?ai_premium )

Thanks for the heads up -- which page was this from?

You're literally reply to a comment that says where its from with a question about where its from?

>On the "Sorry, Gemini advanced isn't available for you" page, clicking "Learn More" gives you

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by _cs2017_ »

jonplackett wrote: post #526
jimmammoth wrote: post #493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what i get from Gemini: You should pull the door. Here's why: Mirror writing: While the word "push" is written on the door, it's in mirror writing. This is a common way to indicate that the action needed to open the door is the opposite of what's written. Safety: Mirroring the word "push" on a pull door is a safety measure. This helps prevent people from pushing against the door, potentially causing injury or…

Better - but it has not understood the message is for the person on the other side. It thinks that it’s actually mirror writing intended to confer the opposite meaning than written. And then waffles of about door safety for ages.

I would say this very bad, even worse than internal logical inconsistency. It has expressed a completely incorrect picture of the world (that people write mirror messages to ensure the opposite action is taken).

The fact that it produced the right answer (which by the way it can do 50% of the time simply at random) is irrelevant, IMO.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by karmasimida »

jonplackett wrote: post #427

I’ve been pretty excited to finally try Gemini advanced. So far pretty disappointed. Here’s my go-to test question - which even chat gpt 3.5 can get. Question: I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why Gemini advanced: You should push the door. Here's why: * Mirror Writing: The word "PUSH" is written in mirror writing, meaning it would appear corr…

What I got from Gemini Advanced:

> Should you pull the door? Yes.

Here's why: Mirror writing means the word "push" appears reversed on the side of the door you're facing. This indicates that the handle or hinges are on the opposite side, making it a pull door.

I modified your prompt slightly, not to boost performance, but to reduce verbosity, my prompt:

> I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why? Please answer it as yes or no question.

The draft is even more interesting:

> Do you see the word "push" normally, or as if you were looking into a mirror?

If you see it normally, should you push the door? Yes. If you see it in mirror writing, should you pull the door? Yes.

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