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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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That is one of the least efficient solutions possible - making hydrogen gas from water is at best 50% efficiency, and then you get to burn that hydrogen in a thermal engine with 30% efficiency.

Fuel cells have much better efficiency no?

This is the problem with the anti-h2 crowd. It's almost all based upon lack of understanding.

One person in this thread, was talking about cars, with no knowledge or understand that 3 separate manufacturers have h2 products on the market. Not 3 cars. 3 manufacturers. Another was discussing things as if it's an insurmountable task, that having h2 in cars is "really hard", yet these cars are being sold and used all over the world, with loads of adoption in Japan.

People make up weird claims about efficiency. About storage. About where h2 comes from. On and on and on. It's so ... absurd.

This isn't a 'my team your team' thing, yet it seems like, especially americans, are wired this way. "It's not thing $x, thus evil! wrong!! We must, absolutely must destroy any hope of this other thing existing.

h2 is the future for many application and usage spaces, and I can see batteries the same way too. It's not either or, and made up claims won't help the green movement at all.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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> EVs are far easier and more convenient than gas cars. EVs certainly have some advantages, but for most of the world's population "convenience" isn't one of them. If you live in a house with a garage where you can install a charger and you use your car mostly as a runabout, it's great. The majority of the western world lives in cities with street parking and fewer chargers than vehicles, though, and in that situatio…

If by "majority" you mean, a small minority, then you're spot on! All you have to do is look at the census. 2/3rds of households have a garage or carport. If you add to this the number of people with private parking, that's like 80+% of people who can have chargers subsidized by the state. It's always important to look at numbers before you get trapped in your bubble.

I have a garage and my car won't fit in it because it's filled with crap.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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You actually can charge at the San Diego zoo, which I discovered last week when I (against my wishes) got an EV as a rental. It is terrible. The charger network is brutal for a non-Tesla.

Hertz is ditching their Teslas, not their other EVs, apparently. I don't blame them when the suspension keeps falling apart randomly.

I think most people will only rent a non-Tesla once. If you don’t have the option of charging at home it’s a truly miserable experience. It made me convinced the charging network is the missing piece.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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If a brand popped up and offered a gasoline ICE with old toyota-level reliability and longevity, and without electronics (save for maybe bluetooth for some music) I'd pay a sizeable premium for it.

> brand popped up and offered a gasoline ICE with old toyota-level reliability and longevity, and without electronics Bought that car last year for about 20K - Kia Rio 5 door. Wonderful little car.

> Kia Rio 5 door

You missed a very important bit: 'old toyota-level reliability and longevity' ;)

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Sounds like Hertz should be handing out a cheat sheet.

I agree, makes me wonder if anybody is actually thinking in that company.

No.

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/06/1140998674/hertz-false-accusa...

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Im bullish on EVs but I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. EVs are best for the types of driving we do on a day-to-day basis. Short commutes in areas we know well. Charge at home over night and 95% of the year you never worry about charging. Renting a car means I'm usually either driving long distances or im somewhere new and I don't know about the local charging infr…

100% agree - I now have 2 EV's as our primary vehicles. They are amazing for normal trips, as I charge them in our garage. But every time I go on a road trip I get a bit of anxiety. I have to pre-plan charging locations on the route, many times I've had issues (all chargers full, multiple not working). It's not for the faint of heart, as filling up at plentiful gas stations doesn't require any thinking. I wouldn't recommend EV's for my older family members, especially if they plan on taking longer drives. If running errands, commuting to work, they are fantastic. While I think the criticism is fair, gas infrastructure has had a huge headstart, so I think we'll continue to see improvements in charging infrastructure and range, which should remediate most of these problems. I still think we're in a bit of the early adopter phase, unless your variables are controlled. Edit : After reading other comments, I think part of my issue was that my first EV was our Audi, Tesla seems to remediate some of these issues with their network. Looking forward to taking a roadtrip with my Tesla and comparing the experience, but I think the point still stands for many EV companies and the consumer experience.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Like many UK EV owners I don't have a driveway either and use a lamp post charger overnight.

Good for you, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a lamppost for every car out there.

Luckily not every car needs charging every day, plus there are extender bollards for the gaps

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

#748

Im bullish on EVs but I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. EVs are best for the types of driving we do on a day-to-day basis. Short commutes in areas we know well. Charge at home over night and 95% of the year you never worry about charging. Renting a car means I'm usually either driving long distances or im somewhere new and I don't know about the local charging infr…

> Charge at home over night If you have a private garage. I live in a (non-US) city where there's shared garages (those who do have a garage, a lot of them just park outside) which are old and not always have power sockets. And even if they do, I don't think you're entitled to use them to charge your car. And do EVs work with standard power sockets, or needs some special stuff? I've never driven an EV.

Vast majority of Americans have a garage. You can charge on a normal outlet but it's easy enough to bring an electrician in to upgrade to 240v.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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I would say part of this is related to resale value of their fleet. The daily rental companies have been taking a bath repairing their fleet of vehicles due to supply chain problems that force them to hold on to the vehicles for longer than desired. An offset for these companies has been the strong used vehicle market so they could sell a vehicle with 60,000 miles for more than they ever did in the past. The problem is that used EVs don't hold up in value compared to ICE vehicles. I personally know of a case where a customer purchased a Mercedes-Benz AMG EQS 4MATIC+Sedan and sold it after 6 months at a loss of $50,000 because there was no market for it. The EV resale market is a hot potato that no one wants to hold on to.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Well, the simple truth is that the best, most versatile car on the road is a minivan. But no one wants to admit that so everyone pretends they like SUVs despite being worse in almost every way for daily driving.

Really? I dislike the feel of driving an SUV, but I find minivans to be lumbering beasts. Granted, I haven't had the displeasure of driving a minivan in many years (whereas I have had the displeasure of driving SUVs recently), so maybe they've gotten better.

They are not particularly fast, but for just ride comfort they are superb. Both the Sienna and the Pacifica have very comfortable seats and very good noise dampening.

But because their profile is much more aerodynamic and they are lower to the ground, they just drive very smoothly. Especially when covering long distances on the freeway.

It's also amazing to be able to open every door and control every feature with a physical button on the dash and be able to haul full sheets of plywood in the back.

My personal cars have all been sporty little manual hatchbacks, but if I just wanted all out comfort it's really hard to beat a well equipped mini-van.

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