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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by neop1x »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

A simple REST API with a static token auth like OpenAI API would help. Previously when I tried Bard API it was refusing to accept token auth, requiring that terrible oauth flow so I gave up.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by Matl »

tahoeskibum wrote: post #719
dontupvoteme wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

I thought that Google was based out of Silcon Valley/California/USA

They're talking about DeepMind specifically.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by cedws »

foobar_______ wrote: post #503
SeanAnderson wrote: post #340

Gemini Ultra isn't released yet and is months away still. Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 No public stats on Gemini Pro. (I'm wrong. Pro stats not on website, but tucked in a paper - https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_... ) I feel this is overstated hype. There is no competitor to GPT-4 being released today. I…

Agreed. The whole things reeks of being desperate. Half the video is jerking themselves off that they've done AI longer than anyone and they "release" (not actually available in most countries) a model that is only marginally better than the current GPT4 in cherry-picked metrics after nearly a year of lead-time?!?! That's your response? Ouch.

Google are masters at jerking themselves off. I mean come on... "Gemini era"? "Improving billions of people’s lives"? Tone it down a bit.

It screams desperation to be seen as ahead of OpenAI.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by SeanAnderson »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #732
foobar_______ wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. The whole things reeks of being desperate. Half the video is jerking themselves off that they've done AI longer than anyone and they "release" (not actually available in most countries) a model that is only marginally better than the current GPT4 in cherry-picked metrics after nearly a year of lead-time?!?! That's your response? Ouch.

I’m impressed that it’s multimodal and includes audio. GPT-4V doesn’t include audio afaik. Also I guess I don’t see it as critical that it’s a big leap. It’s more like “That’s a nice model you came up with, you must have worked real hard on it. Oh look, my team can do that too.” Good for recruiting too. You can work on world class AI at an org that is stable and reliable.

https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt-can-now-see-hear-and-speak

I think it's app only though

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by rtsil »

tikkun wrote: post #200
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

To add to my comment above: Google DeepMind put out 16 videos about Gemini today, the total watch time at 1x speed is about 45 mins. I've now watched them all (at >1x speed). In my opinion, the best ones are: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIZAiXYceBI - variety of video/sight capabilities * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPwU1FNhMOA - understanding direction of light and plants * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D…

When I watch any of these videos, all the related videos on my right sidebar are from Google, 16 of which were uploaded at the same time as the one I'm watching.

I've never seen the entire sidebar filled with the videos of a single channel before.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by dragonwriter »

nextworddev wrote: post #737

Not sure why people are impressed with this. For context, they are only slightly beating GPT4 marginally on some tasks but GPT4 was trained almost 10 months ago

I would assume because there is so little competition (Micosoft/OpenAI, Anthropic, ??) here for commercial hosted solutions that Google being closer to parity here is significant, even if it still not on par with OpenAI.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by lll-o-lll »

riscy wrote: post #624
dfbrown wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How real is it though? This blog post says In this post, we’ll explore some of the prompting approaches we used in our Hands on with Gemini demo video. which makes it sound like they used text + image prompts and then acted them out in the video, as opposed to Gemini interpreting the video directly. https://developers.googleblog.com/2023/12/how-its-made-gemin...

After reading this blog post, that hands-on video is just straight-up lying to people. For the boxcar example, the narrator in the video says to Gemini: > Narrator: "Based on their design, which of these would go faster?" Without even specifying that those are cars! That was impressive to me, that it recognized the cars are going downhill _and_ could infer that in such a situation, aerodynamics matters. But the blog…

Boo! Complete marketing garbage. May as well have been a Flash demo.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by epolanski »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #505
bogwog wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly Reminds me of the Stadia reveal, where the first words out of his mouth were along the lines of "I'll admit, I'm not much of a gamer" This dude needs a new speech writer.

This dude needs a new speech writer. How about we go further and just state what everyone (other than Wall St) thinks: Google needs a new CEO. One more interested in Google's supposed mission ( "to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful" ), than in Google's stock price.

CEOs rarely get replaced, they need to do something very very very bad for this to happen.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by dimask »

roguas wrote: post #552
dontupvoteme wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

Oh it's good they working on important problems with their ai. Its just openai was working on my/our problems (or providing tools to do so) and that's why people are more excited about them. Not because of cultural differences. If you are more into weather forecasting, yeah it sure may be reasonable to prefer google more.

Stuff like alphafold has and will have huge impact in our lives, even if I am not into spending time folding proteins myself. It is absurd to make this sort of comparisons.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by kernal »

DeathArrow wrote: post #62

Apple lost the PC battle, MS lost the mobile battle, Google is losing the AI battle. You can't win everywhere.

Remember when Internet Explorer was the most popular browser? Good times...
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