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Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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That's a pretty big leap of logic there.

Israel is a heavily militarized country. The country would not be able to exist without the latest military tech. Ilya flirting with the tech scene of Israel is a very good indicator that he is not anti mil-tech.

Your first two sentences would also apply to the US.

Does that mean any foreign scientist speaking at US universities advocates military applications of their work?

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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It doesn’t sound like Sutskever is running anything. OpenAI reportedly put out a memo saying they’re trying to get Sam and Greg back: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-optimistic-it...

OpenAI leadership (board, CEO) didn't say that ... your link said their "Chief Strategy Officer" Jason Kwon said it. Most likely outcome here does seem to be that Altman/Brockman come back, Sutskever leaves and joins Google, and OpenAI becomes for all intensive purposes a commercial endeavor, with Microsoft wielding a lot more clout over them (starting with one or more board seats). Big winner in this scenario would…

Sam just posted a selfie wearing an OpenAI guest badge at the SF offices. He's back there for some sort of negotiations.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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By assassination I assume you mean metaphorical? As in to derail his rise before becoming party leader?

No, literal attempts. One attempt involved a battleship “accidentally” firing onto another battleship where both Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping were visiting. https://jamestown.org/program/president-xi-suspects-politica... Biased source, but she’s able to get a lot of unreported news from the mainland. https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/9/20/deleted-repo... I will try to find more sources but Google is just shit th…

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Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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I know everybody is going nuts about this, but just from my personal perspective I’ve worked at a variety of companies with “important” CEOs, and in every single one of those cases had the CEO left I would not have cared at all. The CEO always gets way too much credit externally for what the company is doing, it does not mean the CEO is that important. OpenAI might be different, I don’t have any personal experience,…

I worked at a startup where the first CEO, along with the VP of Sales and their entire department, was ousted by the board on a Tuesday. I think it's likely that we're going to find out Sam and others are just talented tech evangelists/hucksters and that justifiably worries a lot of people currently operating in the tech community.

Sam helped bring a lot of talented people to OpenAI which is a huge accomplishment, even if we assume the worst and that he doesn’t do much day to day work with them.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Are you the sort of person that hires someone that can successfully organize a coup against corporate leadership? It feels like there is an impedance mismatch here.

I’ve hired people that were involved in palace coups at unicorn startups, twice. Justified or not, those coups set the company on a downward spiral it never recovered from. I’m not sure I can identify exactly who is liable to start a coup, but I know for sure that I would never, ever hire someone who I felt confident might go down that route. Startups die from suicide, not homicide.

> I’ve hired people that were involved in palace coups at unicorn startups, twice...I know for sure that I would never, ever hire someone who I felt confident might go down that route.

So you hired coupers but you would never hire...coupers? Did you not know about their coups cuz that's the only way I can see that makes sense here. Could you clarify this, seems contradictory...

Also, great quote about startup failure :)

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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"Put out of work" is a good thing. If I make a new js library which means a project that used to take 10 devs now takes 5 I've put 5 devs out of work. But ive also made the world a more efficient place and those 5 devs can go do some other valuable thing.

What percent of those devs don’t do a valuable thing and become homeless? Maybe devs are a bad example, so replace them with “retail workers” in your statement if it helps. Is “put out of work” a good thing with no practical limits?

Yes, the ideal is when most jobs are genuinely automated we can finally afford UBI.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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I’ve hired people that were involved in palace coups at unicorn startups, twice. Justified or not, those coups set the company on a downward spiral it never recovered from. I’m not sure I can identify exactly who is liable to start a coup, but I know for sure that I would never, ever hire someone who I felt confident might go down that route. Startups die from suicide, not homicide.

> I’ve hired people that were involved in palace coups at unicorn startups, twice...I know for sure that I would never, ever hire someone who I felt confident might go down that route. So you hired coupers but you would never hire...coupers? Did you not know about their coups cuz that's the only way I can see that makes sense here. Could you clarify this, seems contradictory... Also, great quote about startup failure…

>So you hired coupers but you would never hire...coupers? Did you not know about their coups cuz that's the only way I can see that makes sense here. Could you clarify this, seems contradictory...

You might have missed this from GP's comment:

>>I’m not sure I can identify exactly who is liable to start a coup

In other words, at least once these people have pulled the wool over their eyes during the hiring process.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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> I’ve hired people that were involved in palace coups at unicorn startups, twice...I know for sure that I would never, ever hire someone who I felt confident might go down that route. So you hired coupers but you would never hire...coupers? Did you not know about their coups cuz that's the only way I can see that makes sense here. Could you clarify this, seems contradictory... Also, great quote about startup failure…

>So you hired coupers but you would never hire...coupers? Did you not know about their coups cuz that's the only way I can see that makes sense here. Could you clarify this, seems contradictory... You might have missed this from GP's comment: >>I’m not sure I can identify exactly who is liable to start a coup In other words, at least once these people have pulled the wool over their eyes during the hiring process.

Thats what I thought ;)

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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What percent of those devs don’t do a valuable thing and become homeless? Maybe devs are a bad example, so replace them with “retail workers” in your statement if it helps. Is “put out of work” a good thing with no practical limits?

Yes, the ideal is when most jobs are genuinely automated we can finally afford UBI.

Who can afford it? When LawyerAI and AccountAI are used by all of the mega corps to find more and more tax loopholes and many citizens can’t work then where will UBI come from?

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percent of those devs don’t do a valuable thing and become homeless? Maybe devs are a bad example, so replace them with “retail workers” in your statement if it helps. Is “put out of work” a good thing with no practical limits?

Yes, the ideal is when most jobs are genuinely automated we can finally afford UBI.

And people with money will want to make UBI happen because...?
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