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You have to use Meta? I'm not arguing for or against privacy here - just trying to point out that you still have options. It might be a pain to contact loved ones, check in on friends, etc. but so is using an ATM.
"Simply create your own social media company and get all the people you want to keep in contact with to move to it"
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But for such ads you don't need tracking (which is what is meant with personalization). Plain old targeting by choosing the right websites or pages to publish your ads on works fine for that, probably even better.
It works okay. But it works worse .
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That's entirely untrue. I'm a photographer (though I'm largely quitting after this year) and advertise on Facebook/Instagram. If someone was in my area and got newly engaged, they might see my ad. They probably need a wedding photographer, and they're only going to actually go with me if they like the look of my photos better than everyone else and my price is within their budget. Without advertising, they might not…
> They probably need a wedding photographer, and they're only going to actually go with me if they like the look of my photos better than everyone else and my price is within their budget. Without advertising, they might not be exposed to my work and end up with someone that would take worse photos for them. Because you had the money to advertise, they wound up exposed to your photos; they liked them and they were ab…
Sure, but that would only work locally. I do weddings all across my state. Couples would also have to look through pages and pages of terrible photographers. Those photographers don't have the money to advertise because they're bad at their jobs and don't do it frequently.
Yeah, in some ideal world people would be matched up with whatever product/service is best for them all of the time. We don't live in a perfect world. People won't buy what you're advertising unless they think it's a good fit for them. Because people buy whatever you're selling, that means you can keep advertising, which means the stuff advertised tends to be what people want to buy. Right now that's the best system we have. Any other system right now would probably be like when you search for things on Amazon nowadays, absolutely riddled with cheap Chinese knockoffs.
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What do you use for - search, emails, online shopping, news (you mentioned HN but links submitted on HN have ads on them, unless you read only the HN comments)
Search: Kagi E-mail: Disroot (but with any provider that supports IMAP, you pretty much never have to visit their website) Online shopping: while some of the sites may have ads, they could easily survive without ads because, well; they literally sell products News: if HN stopped allowing links to websites with ads, I certainly wouldn't miss them
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Search: Kagi E-mail: Disroot (but with any provider that supports IMAP, you pretty much never have to visit their website) Online shopping: while some of the sites may have ads, they could easily survive without ads because, well; they literally sell products News: if HN stopped allowing links to websites with ads, I certainly wouldn't miss them
HN won't exist if there are no news sites and almost every site has ads on it.
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I used to think the Europe was mistaken by demanding that the user's data be processed in Europe and all that, but having read a bit more on history, it's a tactical disadvantage to let someone else have so much control over your society.
> I used to think the Europe was mistaken by demanding that the user's data be processed in Europe AFAIK there is no such demand. The only demand is that if you want to process EU user's data outside of EU the place where you want to process that data needs to have privacy laws compatible with the EU ones.
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I have two thoughts on Cambridge Analytica: a) Influencing elections is not a harm, even if you disagree with the political ends. b) They were notoriously ineffective, which further solidifies this into the non-story bucket
> Influencing elections is not a harm, even if you disagree with the political ends. It feels icky, but still I mostly agree. I do think there's a limit as I would consider directly influencing elections (via force or deceit) to be harmful, but I'm largely ok with trying to sway public opinion. > They were notoriously ineffective, which further solidifies this into the non-story bucket. Unfortunately, they were surpr…
I think this is the core disagreement, I do not see this in itself as an actual harm, just icky feelings.
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Many websites don't have ads, and I'd be happy if all others disappeared.
Ok but you’re not the only person on the internet. Other people have different preferences, and in fact some even enjoy personalized ads. Nobody is forcing you to look at ads on the internet, so why is it fair to force others to not look at ads on the internet?
> Meta has stated that it had already announced plans to provide users in the EU and EEA with an opportunity to provide consent and will introduce a subscription model in November to comply with regulatory requirements This effectively means then that if you are in the EU and you'd want to use either Facebook or Instagram you'd have to pay for a subscription then because they presumably won't offer the free-service w…
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Funny reading that from someone with your nickname :-) The Deutsche Post, or DHL is sort of tracking too, since a looong time. By having their delivery minions gather information about the circumstances people live in, and selling that information to interested parties.
Any proofs?
I'm sure I've read much more about that, some 20 years ago, and after. Some small blips in the press, several fora. Sometimes even from people who claimed to be, or have been working as postman, and described what they had to look for (like house being renovated, new windows, nice garden, door, car, or in appartment houses clean floors, door mats, no trash, graffiti, what 'sort' of people) how to write it down in forms, and so on. Which annoyed them, because it was a hassle, unrelated to their job/task.
Anyways, they do have that data, gathered by whichever means, and sell them. As is obvious from their own sites.
It may be that they changed parts of that recently, because incompatible with EU-Law, DSGVO/GDPR, whatnot, but they did it.
[German] https://www.deutschepost.de/de/d/deutsche-post-direkt.html
https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/netzwelt-ticker-deutsche...
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/faq-post-daten-101.html
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/datenverkauf-an-cdu-und-fdp-d...
[English] https://www.deutschepost.com/en/business-customers/dialogue-...
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