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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by joeythedolphin »

rakoo wrote: post #717
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #607

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> philosophy is the point. Making reddit2 is completely useless. This is not a product, it's a vision of how we manage communications as a society. Nothing about cleaner onboarding requires anyone to compromise principles. And nothing about a guiding philosophy requires you constantly evangelize. Let the merits of the system speak for itself. > implies involvement, because in a democracy you are part of the decision…

For a more precise background* I don't believe a representative democracy, where we must abandon all power to someone else who we hepe will do the right thing is a model we should be pursuing. Polls are not a good thing per se, they're only better than the worse methods. What happens here is that we have the occasion to take control of our community gatherings. How do you take control if you don't even know what you'…

Brilliant. This properly frames so much of what I have been seeing. I actually worked at a social media building their applications. When our business people spent so much time telling us to build things to show the user what we wanted to show them, I always thought how idiotic it was that we would pretend to know what our users want. It's a form of corporate narcissism. I left :)

So if I buy the philosophy (which I do), how do I (practically) get started? Let's say I want to use the internet to actually interact with people in my community. Is that even possible anymore? Do I just download Mastadon and start wandering the dark? I've wanted to penetrate this "intellectual" space but I just do not know how, and I am a software architect of 20 years.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by joeythedolphin »

rakoo wrote: post #722
kelnos wrote: post #671

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If all you care about is the philosophy, then you're going to fail. Most people only care about the end product, the end experience. And unfortunately you still need those people (to some extent) since these sorts of things require some kind of critical mass to be successful.

Fail at what exactly ? What are your criterias for success ? If it's something like eternal growth ana scalability, I would consider that a failure. My criteria is if everyone has access to the people they care about, in conditions they control. Commercial success is not for me. > Most people only care about the end product, the end experience. Because that's what we keep telling them: don't think, let me take care o…

Sadly most people are the herd and the herd wants to be force-fed. All the better, I prefer smaller more engaged communities anyway. Diamond in the rough, lucky are the few, etc.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

rakoo wrote: post #717
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> philosophy is the point. Making reddit2 is completely useless. This is not a product, it's a vision of how we manage communications as a society. Nothing about cleaner onboarding requires anyone to compromise principles. And nothing about a guiding philosophy requires you constantly evangelize. Let the merits of the system speak for itself. > implies involvement, because in a democracy you are part of the decision…

For a more precise background* I don't believe a representative democracy, where we must abandon all power to someone else who we hepe will do the right thing is a model we should be pursuing. Polls are not a good thing per se, they're only better than the worse methods. What happens here is that we have the occasion to take control of our community gatherings. How do you take control if you don't even know what you'…

> Why not do it ? And if picking an instance is too hard, why not pick a random one ? We want to have the best thing for us individually, but we want to be told what it is

This isn’t how actual democracies form. Solon and Cleisthenes didn’t gingerly nudge their ways towards democracy; that would have been a gift to Athens’ elite to stymie them. They put forward swooping reforms that changed who held power and brought everyone* into the tent at once. They told people why their ideas were better, because they were. (There is actually a great analogy here in the tribes. Tribes were assigned. You could later change them, but there wasn’t a giant before we start being useful we have to put on these hats process.)

Providing a simple path isn’t the same as taking away the difficult one. You can deal with a newbie pool from which one must “graduate” in some amount of time, for instance, thereby giving nobody a default bias advantage in users.

Systems compete. Ideas compete. I think the collective ideas the internet were founded on were strong. And not every one of them need be a cultural force—it’s fine for e-mail to be practical even if it’s in practice controlled by a few companies. But this actually has that opportunity to create a new culture, and it’s throwing it away by telling the curious it’s too good for them.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by tyg13 »

jasonladuke0311 wrote: post #633
tyg13 wrote: post #352

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It's sad to see comments like these. It just reminds me that people will so readily take the work of others for granted. The thing about the work mods do is that it's mostly invisible. If mods are doing their job, spam is getting deleted, reports are being serviced, and no one notices a thing. The subreddit seems to be working fine without them! It'd be easy to trick yourself into thinking they provide no utility. Ev…

> I've had my posts removed by power tripping mods maybe a handful of times. I thought this too until I went to Reveddit one day and WOW there was a lot of stuff silently removed without disappearing from my user history.

This made me curious, and I'd never heard of this tool, so thanks for making me aware!

To further my point, I just looked myself up (same as my HN handle), and I only found 7 comments removed by mods. Most of which were honestly fair to remove, in my opinion.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

anoonmoose wrote: post #176
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #151

Can't Reddit just un-private all the popular subreddits? Why haven't they done this yet?

because they'd also need to remove the mods who made the subs private in the first place lest they just make them private again immediately and removing those mods would/could/should be perceived as an escalation in this fight that could make the problem worse not better

This doesn't sound like a problem to me? Moderators are random volunteers from the public, not Reddit employees. Feels like it should be trivial and easy to dismiss and replace them. Not like they can file a labor dispute with the company...

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Post by baby »

starik36 wrote: post #199
baby wrote: post #35

I said it before, and I’ll say it again. This is a huge opportunity for Facebook. They sort of tried to do Reddit in the past and ended up with shitty Facebook groups. If I were them, I would rush to add some reddit features to Facebook group (reddit-like threads, upvotes/downvotes) or try to launch something new that’s more like reddit on top of the facebook/insta social graph. Just call it “Groups”

> shitty Facebook groups Are you serious? That is the most useful and well done function of Facebook! The accounts are all mostly real names so there is much less toxicity. Instead you get enthusiasts around a topic that can discuss issues in a constructive manner - or at least more constructive than Reddit.

I just want the nested conversations of reddit, it's not complicated :(

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by baby »

kramerger wrote: post #42
baby wrote: post #35

I said it before, and I’ll say it again. This is a huge opportunity for Facebook. They sort of tried to do Reddit in the past and ended up with shitty Facebook groups. If I were them, I would rush to add some reddit features to Facebook group (reddit-like threads, upvotes/downvotes) or try to launch something new that’s more like reddit on top of the facebook/insta social graph. Just call it “Groups”

Facebook? I'm all in favour of bringing back G+

people who say that have clearly not used G+ x)

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Post by [deleted] »

Arathorn wrote: post #715
drdaeman wrote: post #708

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I would've explored alternative servers. The issue with Synapse is the same as I currently have with Lemmy - lack of HA. One particular machine goes down and the system is 100% unavailable. And most of my machines are hardware I own, located at homes (mine, parents, etc) in different countries, so they're slightly more prone to random power or uplink outages than AWS' us-east-1. Hobbyist-grade geo-distributed cluster…

Solving active/backup HA for Matrix is pretty straightforward: postgres replication for the db and a shared filesystem for the media repo. When the primary postgres+synapse goes down, promote the secondary to primary, and continue. We’re also working on account portability (MSC4014) that would eventually support active/active at the matrix layer, but it’s not ready tet.

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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by omginternets »

jasonladuke0311 wrote: post #563
omginternets wrote: post #541

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I’ve often found myself thinking that the discoverability barrier might be an asset. It keeps the community mostly free of low-quality posters.

^ this is why all of these Reddit/Twitter alternatives will ultimately be tiny little gardens

Is that such a bad thing?

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by DropInIn »

codingcodingboy wrote: post #738
DropInIn wrote: post #547

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So... Sounds like you want what I keep thinking about: Front end that works with feeds from multiple sources, like RSS, and permits comments, posts etc using SSO, with all interactions logged centrally in the SSO account (for later edits deletes etc). Sound about right? Because you me it seems like every provider in that list should be able to make a profit off the data and interactions... With users who want increas…

I was thinking about this yesterday and in other threads people are writing about similar systems. The key thing for me and the word that keeps getting written is "RSS", I want a powerful client to experience different content in different ways. There are many communities and content creators that I want to follow but it's too complicated with modern platforms. From a usability standpoint it's bad both for creators a…

I only use RSS to convey the concept of a standardized syndication system, thus "like" being used rather than saying RSS itself....

But yes, what you say is exactly the point of what I'm talking about.

Some sites would focus on being the universal front end for casual browsing while others would focus on niche purposes such as moderation or unique content types/presentations.

The data would be stored with the user by default in my model, ensuring they have control of their content, and offloading a bunch of the delivery work from the front end site (essentially every users SSO becomes the cdn for their chunk of the content).

It has some problems but it's really not much different than now except it's easy as pie for people to get eyeballs on their content (does mean monetization has some issues, as it does now).

Imrambling.....

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