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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by dieortin »

tracker1 wrote: post #505
garbagecoder wrote: post #501

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I like VSCode too. I use it for Clojure, Python, and C#, which I am working in this year and haven't for a very, very long time. I was pleasantly surprised at the progress it has made. Ironically compared to Windows, MS has been willing to kill backward compatibility more to improve .NET to make it more cross-platform, something that must come from a very different part of the company, probably the one that got the "…

VS Code is pretty great, and I agree the remote dev extensions (ssh) are hands down the best feature added. I also like that it had a directory tree and the integrated terminal early on, that's what got me hooked. C# is nice, but the experience in VS Code is sub-par and I think it's the VS (not code) managers that are responsible for that state of being.

Editors have had directory trees and integrated terminals for many years, why is that something you find special?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by s3p »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #295
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

I disagree with your premise. I have an iPhone (forced upon me by work) and it's ridiculous how many links still try to open in safari or Apple maps. I've tried to configure it for years and I've literally uninstalled Apple maps, but half the time iPhone keeps wanting me to reinstall it when I click a link or address. And a lot of url links open in safari instead of chrome or Firefox. Same with many other things - I…

On WINDOWS. On a DESKTOP COMPUTER.

On your phone, the walled garden approach is fine. On a desktop machine in which you control, it is not.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by nerdix »

toyg wrote: post #699
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People have to use "the internet" to install Chrome on a fresh Windows install. So I don't think anyone thinks that Chrome is the internet (that's actually something Chrome had to overcome when IE was dominant and installed by default). Microsoft problem now is that for 15+ years people have been told and essentially trained to install a new browser if they want a good internet experience on Windows. And that is Micr…

> People have to use "the internet" to install Chrome That's not been true for a while. IT preinstall Chrome in most companies nowadays, and obviously it's already on the phones and tablet you buy for the home. Yes, MS dropped the ball after killing Netscape and being humbled by antitrust laws. But the current situation is as much a product of Google's "growth hacks" and mobile monopoly.

Maybe in a corporate environment. But not when it comes to personal devices.

Most tablets sold are iPads. They don't have Chrome pre-installed. In North America, most phones are iPhones that don't have Chrome pre-installed. Most personal laptops are either Windows machines or Macs which don't have Chrome installed. Its pretty disingenuous to pretend as if Chrome market share comes from devices with Chrome preinstalled. People go out of their way to install Chrome.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by tracker1 »

Rimintil wrote: post #534
tracker1 wrote: post #511

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Can't speak for GP, but the o365 Word is better than Google Docs as well. And while you can view Visio in o365, would be nice if you could edit the diagrams. Odd, but Visio is still imo much better than alternatives in that space.

Visio documents can be edited on ODfB and SPO within the browser. https://support.microsoft.com/office/overview-of-visio-for-t...

Sweet... hadn't actually touched it for about a year and a half.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by tracker1 »

dieortin wrote: post #741
tracker1 wrote: post #505

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VS Code is pretty great, and I agree the remote dev extensions (ssh) are hands down the best feature added. I also like that it had a directory tree and the integrated terminal early on, that's what got me hooked. C# is nice, but the experience in VS Code is sub-par and I think it's the VS (not code) managers that are responsible for that state of being.

Editors have had directory trees and integrated terminals for many years, why is that something you find special?

I'm not familiar with another code editor with an integrated terminal, at least not one as complete as VS Code's before VS Code. I could be mistaken though.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by conductr »

pjmlp wrote: post #317
conductr wrote: post #275

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I think it never broke past 5% of smart phone market. If this was a reason, I never heard. I feel like most people just were interested in something else and never even really considered it as an alternative.

"Why is Google blocking Windows Phone's YouTube app?" https://www.computerworld.com/article/2474516/why-is-google-...

No doubt the did it, I just don’t think it’s the primary reason windows phone fails to get penetration as that link says;

> Windows Phone's Achilles Heel is its app gap -- it has far fewer apps than Android and iOS

This was more of an issue than one specific app, especially one that like YT that can be consumed via web browser

I’m just speaking based on intuition and what I remember happening, I might be wrong

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by HeavyStorm »

nickjj wrote: post #171

Interesting timing. 2 days ago a place I'm at switched us from Google mail + calendar + meet to Microsoft outlook + calendar + teams. I almost can't believe at how good Google's suite of tools are compared to Microsoft. I never used any of MS' office tools until a few days ago. Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read. You have to explicitly click the mark as read button. It also…

Agree with some of the points, but why would the + in the email name be considered anything else than part of the name? This is a Gmail feature, not part of any RFC that I know of...or are you talking about something else, perhaps?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by HeavyStorm »

weberer wrote: post #332
kps wrote: post #292

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I suspect VSCode is a baited hook. Get enough developers dependent on it, then degrade it on Linux, and offer WSL as close enough to have people switch their OS rather than their editor. With developers on Windows, cloud follows.

They've already been doing this with Teams. Their native Linux client has less features, like screen blurring, or being able to view more than 4 users at a time. Thankfully you can get around this by using the web version, but who knows how long it will be until they do some user-agent shenanigans to mess with you again.

That's not a strategy to damage Linux users at all, it's just that main focus for apps is windows, then probably apple, then Linux.

Also, MS devs are much more versed in windows.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by dizhn »

trzy wrote: post #555
Aeolun wrote: post #537

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What the hell? They’re separate words? How did I go at least half my life without knowing this.

Wait till you learn that "deprecated" and "depreciated" are different words, too.

They are close enough.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by nurettin »

> Web links from Azure Active Directory (AAD) accounts and Microsoft (MSA) accounts in the Outlook for Windows app will open in Microsoft Edge in a single view showing the opened link side-by-side with the email it came from

This looks like a simple embedded browser feature blown out of proportion. You can probably ctrl-click the link to open in whatever browser you've configured as default in a new window.

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