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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by roundandround »

kcplate wrote: post #735
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

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> But the city’s violent crime rate is at a near-historic low, and is lower than most mid-to-large-sized cities.

Wow, more evidence that this is a city in the US?

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Post by mcguire »

joemazerino wrote: post #571
virgildotcodes wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

Not "all time low" but a 40 year low. Its easy to fuzz numbers when you start extremely high.

According to the chart, the current homicide rate is about 7/100,000. I found a spreadsheet showing homicides going back to 1849. The rate between 1968 (happy birthday to me) and 1996 is significantly higher than now, bouncing around between 10 and 20. Between 1920 and 1967, it bounces around between a low of 2 (1938) and 9. The 1870s were another relatively high period.

Interestingly, San Francisco's population declined from 775,000 in 1950 to 679,000 in 1980.

Sources:

Homicide in San Francisco, 1849-2003 (https://cjrc.osu.edu/research/interdisciplinary/hvd/united-s...)

Historical population of San Francisco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_San_Francisco) plus some linear interpolation

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Post by lazyasciiart »

tsunamifury wrote: post #604
tsgagnon wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug. Always important to reflect on whether stances like "SF is degenerating" are based on a rational analysis of what is actually happening, versus a more emotional response to stories that might be more like the topic of this post, just with less visibility into the exact circumstances of…

You can appeal to facts and being as rational as you want, but people leave because of how they feel.

The overwhelming emotion that people feel as they decide to leave San Francisco is "my god, housing is expensive!"

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Post by tzs »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

That thread had me checking a couple times to make sure I had not accidentally somehow ended up on NextDoor.

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Post by hluska »

simplotek wrote: post #720
microtherion wrote: post #653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how heavily and uncritically the initial theory of a homeless/lower class person as the killer was promoted (not least of all here on HN), I think it made a lot of sense to reveal that the actual suspect now arrested worked in the tech industry and was acquainted with the victim. Beyond that, it's nor clear to me that revealing the actual name or other personal details of the suspect serves a legitimate purpose…

> (...) I think it made a lot of sense to reveal that the actual suspect now arrested (...) Have we learned nothing from Reddit's Boston bomber witch hunt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi

What a terrible comparison. There is a massive difference between identifying someone who has been charged and randomly naming brown people the killer.

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Post by Aloisius »

say_it_as_it_is wrote: post #671
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

Joe Eskenazi shared the identity of the alleged killer, potentially ruining the life/career of someone who may not have killed Bob.

The jail shared it. It's a public record.

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Post by dkn775 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #638
anonkogudhyfhhf wrote: post #210

I know in the last thread everyone said he was a hero. But I looked at his bio and his last job was a token selling scam. Maybe he made some enemies

It's not in the tech circle news, but this murder happened literally days after Hindenburg Research released a very long article on money laundering and widespread fraud at Block (CashApp's parent company). Apparently the app is widely used to launder drug money. Not saying that's related, but you would have to investigate that angle in a murder.

Wow that article is very detailed and there is tons of exploitative practices

https://hindenburgresearch.com/block/

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Post by palijer »

Convolutional wrote: post #681
mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

>After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this[...]

>I had to read scores of tech bros [...]

Did you though? I can't recommend enough cutting out reading people's comments that you don't want to read. If other people's comments stress you out and make you angry, there are typically actions you can take to expose yourself less to them.

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Post by Retr0id »

misssocrates wrote: post #718
Convolutional wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?

There's a lot of overlap in that venn diagram.
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