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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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From a software support perspective macOS is the worst. They don't tell you how long an OS/machine will be supported for they just cut off support whenever they feel like it. So some machines will get 5 years, some 8, it's a roll of the dice. They sort of update N-2 versions but they also don't bring back every bug fix so... I don't think they spend any real time optimizing for old hardware, for example APFS is just…

It seems dishonest to leave out Windows 11 when talking about how MS is for announcing in advance what support will be. They did not give anywhere near proper notice about the TPM/UEFI/Secureboot requirement ahead of time.

> They did not give anywhere near proper notice about the TPM/UEFI/Secureboot requirement ahead of time.

Nearly all machines, DIY included, would have met these requirements. Intel PTT has been built into their processors since 2013. AMD for at least a few years.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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> It is a status symbol. All people at my company who mean anything have one Watching all this unfold as the DevOps guy was funny. "Don't go buy the new Macbooks, it breaks our build pipeline and you can no longer run production locall- wait, what's that? We ordered 20 last week before anyone even tested it? Sigh..." It doesn't matter to them. They're content spending 5 hours tweaking their Mac setup for every 60 min…

Macs don't have that much to tweak. What are people spending 5 hours tweaking? If it's building the perfect CLI, welcome to programmers and any computer set in front of them regardless of OS.

It was mostly Lima/Docker/Rancher/Podman related, iirc. Our architecture was all over the place, and people were in disagreement on the best way to fill-in-the-gaps for MacOS. Not sure what it looks like now, but I spent a lot of time doing Mac stuff for software that was only ever used internally.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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> All of these devices basically sat on a desk in a ~68F office most of the time. That's the problem. You need to discharge the battery once in a while or it builds up gas and expands. I had a 2015 that was perfect until I stopped going anywhere in March 2020. So I basically didn't unplug it for a year, and then the battery got explodey. So now that I still work at home, I make sure to unplug my laptop once in a whil…

> So now that I still work at home, I make sure to unplug my laptop once in a while just to drain it down a bit. That's still a defect; the laptop battery management should do that for you. As an example, the Dell laptops I'm used to automatically drain the battery to ~95% when plugged in all the time (it appears to be at 100% while on AC, but when you unplug it you can see the true charge).

Yeah it took them forever but Apple laptops finally do this as well (holding the charge at 80% instead)

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

Just chiming in to confirm this anecdote - the only difference is that the machine I gave my partner was a macbook air, not pro. Still works fine for almost all normal person use cases.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people. Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :) Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns. Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy…

You are buying into a distorted image of the typical US population experience. Access to healthcare is pretty much instant and high quality for all but the very bottom of the society. 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two and if it’s urgent can access numerous urgent care clinics with almost no wait. Best I can tell for many European countries the situation is significantly worse in terms…

> 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two

I'd love to see where you got that statistic. IME, I have to wait months for any kind of specialist. And when I finally get to see one, my insurance underpays and then I spend endless hours fighting with both the provider and the insurer. This crap happens every single time I need to see a doctor. I can't wait to retire and move to a second world country that has US trained doctors who give you their personal cell number.

Heathcare in the US has become a terrible joke.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

I use an M1 Mini with 8GB at home, M1 MBP with 32GB at work. I experience pinwheels all the time at home, hardly ever at work.

Maybe I'm an extreme case, typically running all the time: phpStorm, Dropbox, Chrome, Firefox, Excel, Terminal, TextMate, WhatsApp, Messages, Calendar, MS RDP Client, Mail, Notes, Reminders.

Also kind of a trip, I installed Stats at home to troubleshoot bottlenecks. Just noticed I didn't install it at work.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

I received an m1 Mac with 8gb of RAM for work and it’s practically unusable. About 2gb of the RAM is sucked by the GPU and system. I can keep one WebStorm window open but if I launch docker and run a service, the laptop goes into swap mode and the whole thing becomes extremely laggy.

Needless to say I use my own computer instead.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Windows also does perfectly fine with 8GB. Hint, being a developer doesn't require using Docker all the time.

Mid-sized Java project would balk at running tests with that amount of RAM. Hell, I had problems with 16GB.

I was running Websphere and IBM RAD IDE in 2005 with 4GB...

It tells a lot regarding how that application is written.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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did you ever stop to think that maybe if they bought a $1200 windows machine it would have lasted 4 years. also macs were very early to hop on the ssd train and that was an insane advantage over most windows machines. I think that gap has closed substantially at this point.

> maybe if they bought a $1200 windows machine it would have lasted 4 years Maybe it's different now (I haven't used Windows in decades, so I don't know) but I will say that it never felt that way to me. Perhaps because Apple controls the OS and the hardware, and has the ability to either spend extra time optimizing for older known hardware that falls within a support window or to delay a feature that would be proble…

Windows 11 is very good, so good in fact I couldn't even state one fault with it. No issues in heavy daily usage whatsoever. I'm no windows fanboy, but it's a decent work/play OS. I've tried a few times to get used to Mac's, but found a lot of things very confusing - how to really close apps to save up some memory, the window close/minimize buttons are in the wrong corner, icons are (were?) a weird flat/3D combination. Oh, and that all-aluminium body on macs. I don't know if it's just me having dry skin but I sort of always felt a slight buzz when it's charging.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> A culture that’s always willing to accommodate new people What America are you talking about? Immigration to the USA has always been hard and a very contentious topic. The previous president was largely voted in on his anti immigrant policy (both for legal and illegal immigration). We’re still undoing his damage to the immigration system today. Prior to that, America has had a very fraught history with immigrants a…

The last president ran on stopping ILLEGAL immigration. There was nothing stopping the continued legal immigration process to the US.
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