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Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by prawn »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #727
kristianc wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s been some speculation he is trying to build an Everything app a-la WeChat in China. Aside from the fact that the everything app concept has never really worked outside China, and certainly won’t fly with the EU — he probably would have been better starting it from zero. I’m pretty sure if he could have got out of the Twitter acquisition he would have.

So far Elon's actions have consisted entirely of destroying and zero building. He promised a money market feature (which is a prominent part of Chinese mega-apps e.g. Alipay and WeChat), but there have been no concrete plans or any regulatory talk related to it. If Elon Musk is still serious about building a mega-app then he needs to rapidly acquire/launch a lot more companies in consumer spending sectors e.g. entert…

That's what amazes me. The path to attempt that was pretty straightforward. Get in control, make some small changes to accommodate as many people as possible, reassure advertisers, add some surprising features that start to extend Twitter and see how people take to them. Make it more about creating and enjoying rather than just outright fighting. No one wants their polarised-arguing app to also be their banking and housing and everything app!

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by LarryMullins »

SahAssar wrote: post #387
noirscape wrote: post #360

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This is always how it goes. Free speech absolutists that run web communities basically always stop short the moment they feel like they are under threat (regardless of any actual threat). Even the most infamous of free speech platforms will just ban users who hurt the admins feelings. Back when Gab switched over to using a hostile fork of Mastodon for a backend[0], Torba banned the users of FreeSpeechExtremist (a Ple…

> Even the most infamous of free speech platforms will just ban users who hurt the admins feelings. Out of curiosity: did 4chan ever try to ban anyone for talking about moot?

Probably, though I couldn't point to any particular instance. People definitely catch short "off-topic" bans for shit-talking the jannies though.

Most of 4chan is moderated, but poorly, inconsistently, and capriciously. Each board has its own set of rules, which are sometimes enforced and sometimes not, with different enforcement rates on different boards. Also there are global rules which are generally not enforced, except when they are.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by barbariangrunge »

pixelmonkey wrote: post #208

Worth mentioning that this policy might have suspended John Carmack for this tweet a couple days ago, announcing his resignation from Meta: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1603931899810004994... This is a very, very, very bad policy and shows with absolute clarity that Twitter is far from a free speech platform. Which deeply saddens me. Imagine how absurd it would be for Reddit or Hacker News to have a polic…

> Imagine how absurd it would be for Reddit or Hacker News to have a policy like this.

Some subreddits apparently ban you for linking to personal websites on them. Some forums ban links to other forums. There was a newsletter platform I recall that prevented you from exporting your mailing list (I forget it’s name). Many fiction websites ban you from linking to other sites where you share your fiction

These policies are really lousy, but we can’t pretend they don’t exist elsewhere

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by poser-boy »

323 wrote: post #567
jacquesm wrote: post #183

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Very interesting, thank you. To what degree is it decentralized?

Recommended by Jack too: https://nitter.it/jack/status/1603945963944480768

This is probably the reason Nostr makes an appearance in the policy then.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by Nomentatus »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #384

My understanding: When the Titanic sank, almost all the poor people died because it was standard policy to lock the gates at all times and prevent them from coming up on deck from their cheap accommodations. No one thought to unlock them as the ship began to sink. Locking the gates after people begin trying to flee like rats from a sinking ship seems like rather desperate behavior and won't stop the ship from sinking…

Not quite true re the Titanic, but the rich did do much better: https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/Titanic-100-Years-Later-...

Musk isn't being smooth, but he may yet find his way. Here's hoping.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by freejazz »

maxbond wrote: post #552
freejazz wrote: post #532

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You are just describing the current US conservative party...

The Republican Party are distinct from the concept of conservative and reactionary politics. They practice both. As do the Democratic Party for that matter. A mental might might be that a party is a group of practitioners and these types of politics are tools they use to accomplish an agenda (though that model implies these tools are amoral and equivalent, which I don't agree with - I find conservative politics unobj…

>"The Republican Party are distinct from the concept of conservative and reactionary politics."

Conceptually, yeah. In reality, it's the "conservative" party and they practice "reactionary" politics.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by frankgrimesjr »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #658
m4lvin wrote: post #24

Note that Mastodon is third in the list. I consider that a success. 1. They ignore you. 2. They laugh at you. 3. They fight you. <<<--- we are here. 4. You win.

Quoting Elizabeth Holmes?

In case you weren't aware, she was quoting Gandhi. Which I'm assuming the parent commenter was doing too.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by emaro »

dr_kiszonka wrote: post #736
haxiomic wrote: post #84

Let’s help people get off this ship Tools to migrate to mastodon: Archive your data and repost to mastodon: https://twitter.com/settings/download_your_data https://github.com/FGRibreau/import-tweets-to-mastodon Find accounts you follow on mastodon: Browser Extension - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mastodon-handles-i... Using API - https://debirdify.pruvisto.org/ (thanks @guerrilla) - https://www.movetodon…

Thanks for the links! Do you know if it is possible to subscribe (?) to two Mastodon servers at once? Say I am at a San Francisco server but also want to see what people post on an LA server, is there a straight forward way to do that or do I need to maintain two separate accounts on both servers?

You can follow specific accounts from another server (say follow user@la.social from you@sf.social). However currently you cannot follow another server entierly (aka. local timeline). If you want both local timelines, you have to register two accounts.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by rhaksw »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #744
pixelmonkey wrote: post #208

Worth mentioning that this policy might have suspended John Carmack for this tweet a couple days ago, announcing his resignation from Meta: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1603931899810004994... This is a very, very, very bad policy and shows with absolute clarity that Twitter is far from a free speech platform. Which deeply saddens me. Imagine how absurd it would be for Reddit or Hacker News to have a polic…

> Imagine how absurd it would be for Reddit or Hacker News to have a policy like this. Some subreddits apparently ban you for linking to personal websites on them. Some forums ban links to other forums. There was a newsletter platform I recall that prevented you from exporting your mailing list (I forget it’s name). Many fiction websites ban you from linking to other sites where you share your fiction These policies…

> Some subreddits apparently ban you for linking to personal websites on them.

The "no self-promotion" policy originally came from Reddit. Reddit assuaged the wording in 2013 [1] but it's still used by the most popular subreddits as justification to remove whatever they [don't] want.

For example, a pretty cool r/Minecraft Starry Night build [2] was #2 on Reddit when it was removed, perhaps due to Rule #11: Self-promotion must be kept to a minimum. To my knowledge, no explanation for that removal was ever provided.

I discovered this the hard way while building Reveddit. I mention it in the FAQ under Why haven't I heard about this? [3]

[1] https://old.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion?v=64baf14c-da98-11...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/uvpkiz/i_built_s...

[3] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#heard

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