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This is a joke, it has to be a joke, right?
The technical team is manually proofreading? What the hell does that mean?
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As I've noted before on HN the entire concept of people being able to manage their own wallets flies against everything we know about people. People forget stuff, make mistakes, and lose things. The margin of error for a wallet is tiny. It's not rare for crypto forums, twitter, etc to prescribe completely ridiculous processes and systems for securing wallets, backing up seed phrases, etc. There's an entire cottage in…
> There's an entire cottage industry built around people etching their seed phrases on steel plates for people to (I'm not kidding) bury them like they're gold in the 1800s. "I write these words in steel, for anything not set in metal cannot be trusted." - The Well of Ascension, by Brandon Sanderson
Stone is susceptible to cracking/shattering if caught in a house fire right?
> Due to the failure of our third-party partner, some users' balance data were found abnormally recorded in our system. Hence, limiting our services to prevent further risks, the technical team has had to manually proofread and restore the system to ensure maximum accuracy of all users’ holdings. This is a joke, it has to be a joke, right? The technical team is manually proofreading? What the hell does that mean?
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You can say that, but when MtGox went bankrupt, and also lost 4 fifths of its stored crypto, the court just heaped together all assets into one big pile and all creditors into one big pile and let them fight it out. So now there's a bunch of assholes including but not limited to Peter Vessenes, that are suing the bankrupt entity for billions (completely frivolous of course) and all the depositors have waited for 8 ye…
Crypto isn't money. You are not a bank customer depositing cash. I'm not sure why their customers should be creditors at all, it's a bit like asking GMail for your emails back when Google goes bankrupt.
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An exchange shouldn't count deposited crypto as their asset. It is an asset of their customer. I do not think the actual problem here is crypto exchanges being unprofitable. Even if a crypto exchange goes under, it could (and frankly should ) still be able to go under gracefully, e.g. letting all customers withdraw their assets for a month (and E-Mailing private keys as a last resort). The issue here is crypto exchan…
> An exchange shouldn't count deposited crypto as their asset. It is an asset of their customer. But banks do, multiple times. (one dolar produces n dollars in loans). A test with Bank run can confirm it.
Forgive my ignorance but it seems that one major problem with crypto-exchanges is that they don't necessarily have any assets other than the crypto that has been deposited there, which means all overheads (which I am assuming for some of these guys is $Ms/year) can only come from trading crypto unless they are charging reasonable money for the privilege of using their exchanges. In the FIAT world, banks make tonnes o…
Banks don't make money from mortgages and loans, but from deposits. Our financial system uses fractional reserve. When you deposit $1 in a bank account, they are allowed to have ~10x that, or $10. They can literally create virtual money and deposit on other people's accounts (loans). From $1 deposit, they make 900% instantly. From $1 loan, they make 5-10% a year. Crypto exchanges can't create money. Unless they have…
That is not how fractional reserve works. The way it works is when you deposit $1, the bank loans it to some other customer but there is a rule saying that they can loan out at most 90 cents of that $1. The purpose of the rule is to make it less likely that the bank will need to resort to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation when the bank's customers withdraw more money than the bank expects or hopes they will withdraw.
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> I pointed out that "not your keys, not your wallet" is a trite statement that doesn't account for the reality we live in, in which property law is a thing. So again, you are still interpreting the expression literally? It doesn't mean that they are not literally your coins if you don't have the keys! Do you understand this? It means that you can lose the coins forever if you don't have them securely stored yourself…
>So again, you are still interpreting the expression literally? People use it literally all the time. I don't buy that people mean it figuratively. Maybe you do. But this statement is banded out so often and with no regard to the situation except where the coins are gone, it reflects little insight into the situation besides what I have pointed out. I am happy for you that you find such meaning in the statement. That…
Well, see, when you use more words to express yourself, it actually makes it possible to understand what your point was.
I was not aware that your perception existed. So thank you (genuinely) for explaining it.
I think that this could be better explained to new users, especially by crypto exchanges which are usually the onboarding vector for them.
I think one good way to solve this, is actually for crypto exchanges to require that a relatively strict test about some crypto, investment and trading basics should be passed when you first register for an account at a crypto exchange, before these new users would be able to start operating with crypto currencies or any such trading products.
I wish crypto exchanges did this out of their own initiative rather than the government requiring such regulations, but since this is clearly not happening so far, I'm not against some government regulation for exchanges in this direction (although I'm against requirements about minimum investment amounts, as that promotes inequality and unfairness).
> A group of people who just so happen to think that the crypto is somehow exempt from the law
I'm not aware that this is the case, but I'm willing to concede that there might still be some unwarranted beliefs in this general direction, given all the carelessness that's going on from companies and projects in this sector. I hope that these people are proven wrong and either responsibility improves substantially, or that at least justice gets served when bad things happen.
> which they reflect with statements like "not your keys, not your crypto" which is said with absolutely no reflection on how property law works. It's not as if this is even a new thing, intangible property has existed long before crypto. Yet in the crypto world, the statement which you find so meaningful goes so far!
As you're already aware, I never interpreted this statement literally and never thought other people did, so I don't know... maybe you're right that the expression is not clear enough. I think my suggestion above about the test requirement for onboarding new users would improve the status quo with regards to this issue that you are pointing out.
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>The only reason it exists is because smart contracts didn't exist when they first started. Calm down. That is not true. Smart contract based exchanges do not let people exchange real money into crypto. There will always need to be offchain exchanges for trading USD for crypto. Additionally, trading off chain is much cheaper than on chain. Centralized exchanges will always exist because people want on / off ramps, pe…
> Additionally, trading off chain is much cheaper than on chain. How this does not wake up all the idiots, I will never understand. How come your superior technology is inferior in one of the crucial axes of trading technology???
As a bonus, Ethereum's scaling roadmap is coming along pretty well, with a pretty clear path to 100K tx/sec within the next few years. That should make transactions quite a bit cheaper.
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Crypto exchanges act like brokers and exchanges. They match orders and they also hold client money.
> match orders and they also hold client money Matching orders is what brokers canonically do. Exchanges came about to consolidate their activity. There is nothing resembling a true exchange in the crypto space.
This said, we don't appear on the radar, as a conventional exchange is not as highly profitable because they can't make use of client funds or holdings. (We offer a few other unexciting institutional services that make more money than the exchange).
One day people will realise the value in conservatism in financial markets.
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>So again, you are still interpreting the expression literally? People use it literally all the time. I don't buy that people mean it figuratively. Maybe you do. But this statement is banded out so often and with no regard to the situation except where the coins are gone, it reflects little insight into the situation besides what I have pointed out. I am happy for you that you find such meaning in the statement. That…
> People use it literally all the time. I don't buy that people mean it figuratively. Maybe you do. But this statement is banded out so often and with no regard to the situation except where the coins are gone, it reflects little insight into the situation besides what I have pointed out. Well, see, when you use more words to express yourself, it actually makes it possible to understand what your point was. I was not…
It's called assuming. You assumed.