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Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by raxxorraxor »

hellomyguys wrote: post #232
roody15 wrote: post #210

I Work IT in a institution with 290 employees and have had 5 switch to iPad Pro's to "replace" their laptop. I am now 5 for 5 with all asking for their laptop back. iPadOS is nothing more than iPhoneOS renamed and the device is still too heavily crippled for desktop/laptop replacement. In my mini test case scenario I never said a word..simply the employee asked for iPad Pro.. I just handed it to them... waited... the…

If they're competing against Chromebooks, they're maybe better actually.

Because web apps can actually opens up the flexibility of a classical computer system again. For strategic purposes Apples support here is minimal.

Still not optimal, but certainly far better for education, not only because of the price and because you don't make yourself dependent on a single manufacturer or at least to a lesser degree.

Largest problem is the lack of education of teachers though.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

criddell wrote: post #237
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #221

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Kids who don’t know better might become accustomed to it and, unless they are power users or interested to become that, they might prefer to scrape by with the iPad. There is pretty strong evidence that people aren’t great at using full fledged operating systems and feel much more comfortable on a slate with a dumbed down UI

Most people aren't power users. An iPad is a great device for lots of people. It's my favorite computer to use mostly because of the excellent apps. What you call a dumbed down UI , I call streamlined. It's simple, focused, and fast.

You’re right. Ironically my “dumbed down” description was a little too dumbed down itself. I agree though, there are cases where a tablet is actually a better tool too.

I suppose the problem is that they rarely present us with opportunities or necessity to dig deeper, learn more, and become adept at working with and within the operating system.

I could be wrong, too. The truth is I only use an iPad once every couple of weeks for 30 to 90 minutes. My point of view here could be too limited to be accurate, and I’m totally glossing over non-Apple devices.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by thih9 »

wilg wrote: post #734
stouset wrote: post #731

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What is so hard to understand about the fact that this is for you and not necessarily for everyone ?

That's not hard to understand. I just think it's probably true for most people, not necessarily true for everyone. Plus, I'm interested if the person I'm replying to actually thinks it's _better_ than a Mac or just "also good".

For me iPad is better at these tasks i.e. at tasks about consuming content.

I guess mostly because of its form factor (I can sit on a couch, no need to keep anything on my lap, I can adjust viewing positions easily) and the touchscreen input (to me it’s more immediate than working with the pointer).

It’s subtle; obviously you can sit with a laptop on a couch too, and touchpad can be intuitive as well. Still, for me it adds up to iPad’s UX being more approachable, more hands on, and more natural.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by drcongo »

thirdsun wrote: post #738
drcongo wrote: post #726

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I've got several high end audio interfaces, but they're not much use on a plane or a train.

Attach the adapter to your headphones. Done. Yes, it's slightly more inconvenient but I wouldn't dismiss the whole product due to a missing port few people (including me) use these days.

It is attached to my studio cans, but that doesn't solve any of the problems I outlined above about varied audio quality between different adapters etc.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by e40 »

ulfw wrote: post #643
e40 wrote: post #138

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On the ARM versions? My M2 air uses very little battery for zoom (1+ hr about 10% or less, don't remember).

Your M2 Air is a Macbook, not an iPad

Yeah, but same processor.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by jessriedel »

jayd16 wrote: post #718
jessriedel wrote: post #711

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Last time I looked into this, I seem to remember that the Wifi protocol actually had ridiculous hard-coded wait times, e.g, broadcast, listen for 500 ms, then move to next step if nothing heard. I remember being baffled and never understood how that it could possibly be really how it worked, so I definitely might have been misinterpreting.

Maybe you're thinking of a random wait time with a max. That prevents the problem with two sources talking over each other.

Maybe?

> The main purpose of scan is to update/confirm the available WiFi SSID list around the user’s device. There are two types of scan: active scan and passive scan [3]. The active scan is triggered periodically: the mobile device first broadcasts the probe requests, and surrounding APs after hearing the probe requests will reply probe response packets, containing information such as the supporting physical rate. The mobile device will add the SSID of the AP into the candidate list, if it finds that the AP is compatible. In the passive scan, the list of available SSIDs can be updated by beacon packets broadcasted by APs periodically, e.g., every 100ms [4].

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1701.02528v1.pdf

In any case, a good protocol would have random wait times that are still (in expectation) of order the rate at which bits are communicated, not some human timescale.

Relatedly: When I turn off a network by pulling the plug on a router, it takes many seconds for this to be reflected in the list of available networks on my Macbook. I don't think there's a good reason for it to be like this.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by hnbear »

physPop wrote: post #655
hnbear wrote: post #610

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Ran a similar play recently and found a similar result. Can’t understate how much people want the nice/fancy/pro device too. It’s hard to lure people off MBPs to generic PC laptops or chromebooks but an iPad Pro + magic keyboard is shiny enough. Not just lower support cost, but much higher security bar at a lower cost too. Having been at the same fund, and other big banks, that’s an important consideration. Strong MD…

I'm curious about the workflow for these employees... How do your staff actually get things done? Are they in excel/word/email all day long? Custom apps? In dev/data science there are some okay cloud providers (gitpod, etc) that work resonably well on iPad in a pinch but I can't see moving dev full time to one.

For our use-cases if you think about a recruiting team who are just using:

- GSuite for email, calendar, etc - Zoom for candidate meetings - Greenhouse as an ATS

Then those all have dedicated iPad apps which are very usable.

Same story for office admin teams, EAs, etc.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by rpastuszak »

robertoandred wrote: post #724
rpastuszak wrote: post #503

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>I gsuite good anywhere? It's not good in the browser on desktop/laptop devices, certainly. Re web-tech: All iPad/iOS browsers run a low-perf version of Safari under the hood. In my experience anything Google seems sluggish on Safari. Frankly, I think that a part of this is due to FUD (Safari is not slow). I still use FF and Safari for 99% of my browsing, but certain sites just require me to use Chrome.

No, WebKit is the same across devices.

That’s not 100% correct.

Web views aren’t the same, neither is the JS runtime configuration, hence the performance differences.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by ycombinete »

jessriedel wrote: post #149
crazygringo wrote: post #123

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I've never once noticed slowness in connecting as bothering me at all. Are you connecting to new Wi-Fi networks hundreds of times a day or something? My iPad just... stays connected to the networks it knows. And I believe that higher bandwidth is the solution to better reliability and latency when you've got lots of devices sharing the same router, or other interference. Isn't that how digital radio works?

In fairness, I do notice the time to connect to my home network much more when waking my Macbook Pro from sleep than my iPad. But it is still noticeable on the iPad. The place where the slowness is most noticeable on iPad is when I want to reconnect it to my iPhone's hotspot. I need to reconnect many times per day because the iPhone turns off the hotspot when its unused for 90 seconds to save battery, and this behavi…

This is the only thing I’ve missed over the years after switching to Apple. The androids I owned would keep the hotspot enabled all day, apparently without killing the battery.
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