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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kaba0 »

meragrin_ wrote: post #500
reaperducer wrote: post #423

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They are doing this for the network effect. This is what people in the hate-Apple echo chamber like to chant, but it's wrong. When Apple started doing it, there was no network effect. The color choice was made years before everyone started freaking out about green and blue bubbles. It was done to show that a message went over SMS, and not iMessage at a time when many Americans paid for each SMS sent, but iMessages we…

At what time has data ever been cheaper than SMS? That "Blue=free Green=10¢" would likely only have been true for people on really crummy plans sending a message while connected to Wi-Fi. Data has never been "free". They would have had to show iMessage messages as green when sent over the phone network. It was to mark the "plebs" so the "plebs" would be blamed for any issues rather than Apple.

Basically, anywhere in EU. SMS is unreasonably expensive/limited, on top of being all around shitty (like, bad encoding, utf8 chars taking up more space, the amount of time I had to remove ős from my texts so that it would fit in a single SMS), and is plain text for your carrier to read.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by saiya-jin »

emoII wrote: post #652
danielodievich wrote: post #84

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My two high scoolers are produ members of Android generation and apparently dong give a damn as long as they get to play games and chat on discord and text with girls. I am going to count that as a win against the industrial marketing complex.

Granted I don't live in the US, but is Apple even spending a lot on marketing the iPhone in later years? I feel like their success is based on social pressure/word of mouth more than bombarding the public with messages. At least where I live, most of the iPhone ads are made by carriers if anything

Yes they spend tons in Europe, and very cleverly. Every day I go around International school in Geneva, where children of the powerful of this world and future power holders study.

All ad posters around the school are currently Iphone 14. So are some ultra-premium locations within city. Nobody is doing as big ad campaign here as Apple.

And they know it works, peer pressure is pure emotion-based reaction, and teenagers are not yet experienced and smart enough to fight it.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kaba0 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #342
Huh1337 wrote: post #321

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You ever tried that? It's a horrible experience. I love Android but you definitely need to spend much more to get something out of it. My advice is to get a second hand Samsung flagship - I have S9+, that's a great phone you can get for $200 - but don't go for anything less, you'll be very sorry if you do.

A $20 Android phone is better than nothing when you're already struggling to pay bills and raise children. That's the reality many people face.

“ Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles. But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet. ”

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kaba0 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #151
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Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.

The average worldwide cost of a smartphone is ~$300. Android phones can be bought new in box for $50-$170. The iphone SE which is basically last years model starts at $429 and comes without the power bring which allows you to plug into an outlet which costs an additional $18. That is iphones start at a cost more than the majority spend on a phone admittedly worldwide but that isn't what I call all cost points.

Is there any point in calculating with worldwide averages? There are people who live on less than a single dollar per day, should we really compare them to first-world citizens who easily spend an order of magnitude more on the way to work?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kaba0 »

est31 wrote: post #336
nordsieck wrote: post #224

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> The iphone SE which is basically last years model The iphone SE is not last year's mode. It's an iPhone 8 body (including camera) with the current CPU. For example, the SEv3 came out this year and has the same CPU as the iPhone 13 which came out at the same time.

Yeah the SE is probably the fastest iphone model there is because the CPU is top notch while the screen resolution is smaller, so rendering is less complex computationally.

I don’t think that any iphone model has trouble with rendering, so it is likely not a bottleneck. Nonetheless, it is an insanely fast phone 2-3 generations ahead of current top android chips.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by lynndotpy »

nharada wrote: post #200
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My first smartphone, as a highschooler, was $40 (circle 2014). My first "luxury" phone was a $150 Android. A $430 price tag IS a lot.

In the US?? It was VERY rare to find a phone that cheap in 2014. I had a Nexus 5 in 2014 and it went for $350 ($437 in 2022 dollars). And that was considered a really good deal/budget phone.

In the US!

I got an 'LG Optimus' phone in 2015 for $125 (after tip and tax, down from the $150 I had in my memory.) I don't have the 2013 receipt for the $40 phone though, that might have been through a WalMart contract.

A new 'Moto G Power' can be had for $150 right now (down from $250) and a new Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 Pro can be had for $220. You can find sub-$50 phones too, especially in the used market.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kaba0 »

indymike wrote: post #448
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What are you talking about? No you can't. If you're talking about an unlocked smartphone that you can install apps on, there is absolutely no such thing as a new Android phone for $20 that any American consumer can buy. The Samsung Galaxy A03s is Samsung's cheapest, it's considered "ultra-budget", and it costs $160. The Moto G Pure, Motorola's cheapest, is also $160. (Edit in response to comments: yes if you buy a lo…

> If you're talking about an unlocked smartphone that you can install apps on, there is absolutely no such thing as a new Android phone for $20 that any American consumer can buy. Or even close to it. Hardly anyone buys a phone unlocked in the US. Most buy carrier locked devices and at the low end, it's mostly prepaid. I just bought a Samsung A03 from target that was for prepaid carrier Total Wireless for $10. I didn…

Come on, that’s just not the “price” of a thing by any sane definition, or otherwise I would be very happy how cheap I got my home for..

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by sbuk »

alvarezbjm-hn wrote: post #444
sbuk wrote: post #366

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Here’s a crazy idea. Why not fix the problem at the source? Address the entitled behaviour of teenagers.

What is more difficult to fix? Humanity (specifically, teens) or Apple ( the largest technology company by revenue (totaling US$365.8 billion in 2021) and, as of June 2022, is the world's biggest company by market capitalization[0] ) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc .

Love that you angryly included the source, like the internet is a debate club. You and all the other pitchfork handlers are assuming Apple actually needs to be fixed for this entirely-made-up and self-imposed issue. They don't. It really is that clear.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kaba0 »

jacobr1 wrote: post #402
crazygringo wrote: post #344

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What are you talking about? No you can't. If you're talking about an unlocked smartphone that you can install apps on, there is absolutely no such thing as a new Android phone for $20 that any American consumer can buy. The Samsung Galaxy A03s is Samsung's cheapest, it's considered "ultra-budget", and it costs $160. The Moto G Pure, Motorola's cheapest, is also $160. (Edit in response to comments: yes if you buy a lo…

On the other-hand, plenty of people will buy a locked phone direct from a carrier. The Moto G you mentioned only costs $35 from tracfone. You can't change carriers, but you still can install arbitrary apps.

And as mentioned, you can buy any top end iphone for likely free with a sufficiently expensive plan, how is that relevant? You do pay for the full price (often multiple times).

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kaba0 »

sofixa wrote: post #680
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #478

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Is it anywhere near a luxury if 88% of teens can afford it? The iphone starts at $430 and tops out much higher than that, so the ASP is considerably higher.

I don't think it's the teens buying it for themselves.

Feel free to interpret it as 87% of teenagers’ parents can afford to buy (often multiple) iphones for their children. The actual market share of apple in the US is also at around 50%, so I wouldn’t call it luxurious.

Though let’s add that a smartphone is probably the single most used item a person will own (used more often than your shoe), so it does make sense that people will give out quite a sum for these.

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