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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by colinmhayes »

aaomidi wrote: post #531
sudosysgen wrote: post #476

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The US has no rule of law for national security consideration in other countries. As a non US citizen the US government in practice has no due process consideration if they wish to spy on you, torture you, or kill you. Corporations are an extension of the state in this process, as we have learned thanks to Edward Snowden. They have no choice but to facilitate the use of state power on foreign nationals. As a non-Amer…

+1 to all of this. US has no standing with the people of a lot of the world.

The American governments job isn’t to look out for foreign citizens. That’s the foreign citizens governments job. This is specifically about American national security, not any other countries.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #595
elliekelly wrote: post #561

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It annoys me that these headlines keep falsely attributing his statements to the FCC as a whole. I hate TikTok and I tend to agree that it’s a security risk (so, too, is Facebook, IMO). But this guy has it out for TikTok solely for political reasons and in order to please Trump.

To be fair, and I'm not fan of Trump, but if Trump hypothetically supported something good... like let's say universal healthcare, a lot of Democrats would oppose it just because Trump supported it.

No they wouldn't. There'd be a lot of Republicans who would be running around telling everyone how universal healthcare is actually a good thing now, but any Democratic concerns would mostly be tied to quibbles with process and taxation, not the healthcare itself.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by NoGravitas »

cowtools wrote: post #107
jmfayard wrote: post #90

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The US government is a foreign government for 96% of the people, not to mention that its own citizens don't control it much.

The USA is a democracy. Arguing otherwise is the pot calling the kettle black.

The US is at best an "illiberal democracy"[1]. But it's probably worse than that. Effectively, the US has no opposition party, the ruling party being superficially divided into two nominal parties which agree on 90% of policy and which use their control over the electoral machinery to exclude opposition parties.

Recently, major changes of governmental policy that affect millions of people have been made by an unelected body of officials who have lifetime terms. You may have even seen it in the news.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Xeoncross »

okasaki wrote: post #739
Xeoncross wrote: post #729

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Half the US seems to be dissidents depending on who you ask - but they aren't being rounded up and sent to reeducation camps or having their organs harvested. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...

Wow, half of the US population are dissidents. Is that what they call themselves? Is that what the government calls them? Or did you just make it up and it's a word reserved for people in nations you hate?

What an odd reply, suddenly I'm the bad person and I 'hate' people because I want to save them?

Dissidents = "Disagreeing, as in opinion or belief"

The government in power decides who this is and then acts against them according. The CCP just happens to use lethal force on a massive scale in this regard.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Clubber »

phpisthebest wrote: post #708
Clubber wrote: post #704

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A republic is a form of democracy. This strange differentiation came about as a GOP talking point in the early 2000s. I'm amazed that it is still repeated 20 year later. Saying the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic is like saying a car is not an automobile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

>> This strange differentiation came about as a GOP talking point in the early 2000s. Actually no, it comes from far earlier in our history that that, GOP may have had it has a talking point not sure, and dont really care, but the GOP is not the origination of this >Saying the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic is like saying a car is not an automobile. No, not all Republics are democratic, and not a…

When I was growing up in the 80s, everyone knew the US republic was a form of democracy. Are you arguing that it isn't? I never heard the phrase, "The US isn't a democracy, it's a republic" until around 2000s; the first part being completely wrong, but the second part being right.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by mlyle »

aaomidi wrote: post #713
asah wrote: post #597

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While perhaps true, it's irrelevant to THIS conversation - THIS conversation is about a Chinese company operating IN THE US. There does not need to be parity.

How is looking at the larger picture irrelevant here?

Wishing countries could be better actors towards foreign geopolitical interests and foreign citizens is a nice thought and a world we should work towards.

In the meantime, countries still need to act to protect their citizens and their national interests against foreign adversaries-- especially prohibiting adversarial/dangerous behavior within their own economic zones and borders.

(i.e., China also has a rational interest in restricting operations of US firms gathering information on Chinese citizens-- we don't need to choose "good" or "bad" guys).

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by germandiago »

narag wrote: post #259
jen20 wrote: post #163

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> I am not for or against russians Assuming you are actually German (based on your username), you really shouldn’t require a particularly deep history lesson to understand why Russia is a problem. Jesus fuck man, the brick line runs through the center of your own capital city.

Assuming you are actually German... Germán is a name, equivalent to Germain, Armand or Herman.

Thanks. :) Not from Germany in fact.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by fhood »

phpisthebest wrote: post #698
roberttod wrote: post #246

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Military personnel is not what this is about, it's about the data of all the citizens in the US. It's about manipulating public opinion, sowing divide or a thousand other options.

China does not need to do anything for that, we will to it to ourselves freely with out reservation, they just have to sit back and enjoy the show

Certain adversarial govts have happily participated in the past/ are happily participating

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by NoGravitas »

okamiueru wrote: post #148

My concern seems to be different than that of most expressed here. Companies collecting too much information is a problem, sure, but that's not what deeply worries me when it comes to social media generating/consuming platforms like Facebook, TikTok and YouTube. Especially those that algorithmically decide what to show users. Foreign countries controlling what information a coming generation is exposed to is IMO much…

Why do you care so strongly about the nationality of the boot on your neck, rather than that the boot is there at all?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by germandiago »

jacquesm wrote: post #164
germandiago wrote: post #141

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I am not for or against russians or ukranians. Think whatever but in a war you are going to see many disgusting things from both sides. It is like that. I declare myself neutral and the last thing I wanted is my country to be involved in this stuff (and others). Of course, at the same time I think that Russian invasion was stupid and a mistake. This is a power game and nothing else. I just want to live normal, not to…

> I declare myself neutral Until it is your ass that's on the line I guess?

Actually I know what you mean, but on the other side of things, thinking that getting involved in absolutely every conflict is a good idea... I do not know, I do not see it as a good solution honestly.
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