Live data from Hacker News

Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

vox.com

741–750 of 764 posts

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#741
post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a world where you can get 250

No one is paying $250k salary out of college. Every one of those jobs has similar salary to amazon with the rest in stock. Maybe high frequency traders will give you that cash, but no one else.

are you sure about that?

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#742

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Promotion-orientation is bad, but so are promotion levels that are considered "almost impossible to reach". Levels.fyi doesn't seem to agree with your title inflation evaluation: https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Google,Amazon,Microsoft&trac... It's only 3 data points, but it seems that Amazon Senior is comparable to Google senior, and it's Microsoft that inflates the Senior title.

You’re right. Amazon’s L6 do not have larger packages than Google. On the other hand, Amazon has a flatter structure. Amazon’s L6 used to influence more than 100 engineers, advising general managers, owning an entire product line, if not more. Go figure.

You're right, but when they adjusted the L6 role guideline (circa 2016), it was specifically to clarify that the L6 role was never intended to have that span of influence. Rather, every 2-pizza team (8-13 people) should have a sr. engineer. What at Google would be a Tech Lead.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#743

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did I say that? No. That’s quite the conclusion to jump to. I was mere pointing out that maybe some of the churn is justifiable? Most companies have churn, but everyone wants to point fingers at Amazon for what are otherwise normal and accepted business practices.

Can you please justify the "churn" stated in the article about a worker needing to see a medical professional due to an infected tooth, then shortly getting fired one week after the event automatically with zero conversations between him and his superior? Mind you this is a worker that was meeting all the bullshit metrics Amazon foisted upon him. His only mistake was being human and needing to see a dentist. I should…

YesI have plenty of decency. I take it you don’t own a business nor work in management. And probably think rules don’t apply to you. You might want to reread the thread, otherwise i think your reading comprehension is low. My original comment was in response to a comment mentioning more than a single worker, but thanks for playing.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#744
post #119

I would not work for Amazon unless my life depended on it (and even then I would have to think twice) but I have to say (reluctantly) that as a customer, both retail and AWS, I absolutely love them. The power that Amazon is acquiring scares the hell out of me, but at the same time, when I need to buy some random thing, no one else even comes close in terms of convenience and reliability. Sometimes I will make an effo…

I am probably not alone, but I use Amazon.com about twice a year. Pretty much only when I don't have time to wait for something, or if there is a ludicrous deal. It's obviously harder to get what I want, but I just think about the counterfeit items and the slave labor in the warehouse.

Of course I use AWS everyday at my job. I think of it like Amish people using power tools at their job.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#745

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right. Amazon’s L6 do not have larger packages than Google. On the other hand, Amazon has a flatter structure. Amazon’s L6 used to influence more than 100 engineers, advising general managers, owning an entire product line, if not more. Go figure.

You're right, but when they adjusted the L6 role guideline (circa 2016), it was specifically to clarify that the L6 role was never intended to have that span of influence. Rather, every 2-pizza team (8-13 people) should have a sr. engineer. What at Google would be a Tech Lead.

Yeah, L6 is the new L5, and L7 L6. That's bad for those who joined Amazon as L7 and thought that they didn't have to work for title any more.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also when IAM integration is there it has patchy support for resource condition wildcards and condition keys which are usually not documented

Totally agreed there. Also condition keys have such a high cognitive load; I can never ever remember the exact spelling of them or whether I need StringEqual or StringIsEqualIfExists or whatever other operator. The documentation has tons of prose about what service-specific keys to expect, but nearly 100% of the time when I'm trying to do something non-trivial with IAM, I end up finding the answer on somebody's blog…

I recall that there was at least one case where two similar condition keys that by name should work both, only one was appropriate.

But then I actually blew the stack in IAM processing to the point we couldn't start an AWS sagemaker notebook because IAM died while attaching a network interface to EC2...

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a political tribe, I'm not a partisan, etc. I was hoping HN would be the one place on the Internet where we could discuss things maturely. Notably, I'm not attacking left-wing people or viewpoints here, but observing that there are two goals that are in apparent conflict (which isn't to say they contradict each other or that they're ignoble or anything else).

> I don't have a political tribe So you're either a liar or you are ignorant. Which is it?

Nonpartisanship offends you, eh?

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is Ludwig von Mises these days. Time to start buying stock in Keynes.

Von Mises is generally a laughing stock in academia. Only the internet thinks he's worth dusting off. Von Mises has been missing from proper economic discussions in academia for half a century. He predates when economics was a science, and was expected to produce things that matched the data. Absolutely nobody with any actual training would take his name seriously in practice. Naming him in a non-critical is like men…

That's largely because academia favors central planning and doesn't trust those without a graduate degree to make socially optimal choices. They want to be the planners the masses depend on and Mises tried to show that desire was problematic from a first-principles, liberty-oriented perspective.

What's really laughable is that academia thinks its policy prescriptions play no role in the ongoing economic mismanagement despite all evidence to the contrary and the predictions of the Austrian school. Your need to smear the name of Mises with unrelated controversies is also very telling. Why not let the theories speak for themselves?

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

#750
post #696

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont know who you think you are responding to. The person i was responding too does think anyone and everyone should have carte blanche to immigrate to america. Also please post the part of my comment where i said hispanics should be treated as less than. Third wold Immigrants in america get treated much better than their own country. As they should! Thats why they come here!

Everyone has the right to move anywhere.

You are mistaken.
Post reply on HN