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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by dboreham »

shadowpho wrote: post #298
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I also invested in a Surface Pro X (I have macbooks but don't like to use them vs Windows), bought at a deep discount on Amazon. I persevered with the ARM-related issues and now love it. You really need to run the insiders' builds at present in order to get decent compatibility (e.g. Android apps and 64-bit Intel emulation). I have Docker and the complete stack of dev tools for my projects (Scala, Kotlin, Haskell, Ru…

What compiler do you use?

For which language? but generally I use the common/default/stock compiler for any language.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by Shalomboy »

mikepurvis wrote: post #209
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I like the XPS 13 line myself. The 93xx line lasted all night when I forgot to shut the lid one evening (9+ hours) with Fedora (after running `powertop` and doing its tweaks). But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware (the trackpad, touchbar, keyboard, mouse, etc. are all inferior IMO), so maybe you're looking for something different there.

I'm currently on my first and last XPS, a 9570. I really wanted to love it, but there's just too much about it that is a complete disaster, particularly around power management, wake behaviour, and thermals. I know I haven't exactly babied it, what with it having been plugged in in my home office for basically two straight years during the pandemic, but the battery is shot at this point— getting barely an hour of lif…

That's so funny, because I'm in the same boat with my XPS 9570. I bought it for personal use because I had an amazing experience with a 9370 developer edition at my last job. I figured it would be the same, but that was extremely naive. I got the i5-8300H SKU with an empty 2.5" SSD bay, 53Wh battery, and a 1TB drive for $800 and change with the intention of plugging it into my GTX 1070 eGPU at home. I figured that this would be like, a power-sipping config.

NOPE! It wakes itself from lid-shut sleep and cooks itself whenever I put it in a bag, it will crash and reboot if the Thunderbolt cable gets jostled, and I get maybe 90 minutes on battery life after weeks of optimization script fiddling. I wanted to like it so badly because at the time, the processor was a steal. Matching the old 7820-HQ's performance with a bottom-tier i5 8300H felt like magic, but nothing else lived up to the hype.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by api »

seabriez wrote: post #514
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There are plenty of dark patterns in macOS. For example, macOS will trick users into thinking that the apps they want to use are either broken or malicious if developers didn't pay Apple $100 a year and Notarize apps. macOS has increasingly become a platform to sell iCloud subscriptions, as well.

No "dark" patterns he says. Even after all the revelations, iFads just keep mindlessly worship Crapple. When in reality: https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf "iOS sends the MAC addresses of nearby devices, e.g. other handsets and the home gateway, to Apple together with their GPS location. Users have no opt out from this and currently there are few, if any, realistic options for preventing this data sh…

I think the argument here is that Apple is better in this area than Microsoft or Google, not that Apple is great.

Better than Microsoft or Google on privacy is not a high bar.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by kaba0 »

thayne wrote: post #210
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Everything about it or the developer experience? I use a VM for my dev work and then run the rest (which pretty much means "a browser", these days) in MacOS. Which works perfectly.

Not the original poster, but for me, everything. I'm the sort of user who likes to customize everything, and Mac (and other apple products) makes it hard to customize anything. And I'm the kind of developer who will make pull requests to fix bugs that bother me, so everything being proprietary rather than open source is also a big pain point.

I’m a long time linux user who recently got a Mac, and I found it much more customizable than I ever thought. At least compared to ios it is seriously just a very old “linux” kernel with a better integrated user space.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by stefanfisk »

seabriez wrote: post #669
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It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but if you must: - 8GB on the Air is not the same as it'd 8GB on the HP, macOS + Apple silicon's memory efficiency means it can do more with less. - The new M2 Air has a better screen by resolution, size, and by brightness (400 vs 500 nits). I wasn't able to find colour gamut specs for the HP Spectre. - By all metrics battery wise the M2 Air handily beats the Spectre.…

There are plenty of good choices "2x in favour of the M1 which is astounding" False, Intel bests M1 in single core. and pretty close in multi core, i12 beats it and M2 easily. See: https://www.newegg.com/titanium-blue-msi-ge-series-raider-ge... Though pricey, but it beats M1 Max too, so. This laptop completely destroys every SINGLE SPEC of M1 Air, MBP and MBP Max; except perhaps battery life. M2 air has a webcam? Con…

6.39 lbs, huge screen but really low PPI. surely that thing's more of a portable desktop than a laptop?

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by thirdsun »

coder543 wrote: post #456
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Is there a technical reason that the M1 only supports a single external monitor (optimized intended experience), or is just market segmentation?

Every GPU on the market supports a limited number of monitors. There are fixed-function (not programmable in a traditional sense) blocks of silicon that are used to support each monitor. M1’s GPU came equipped to only support the internal monitor and one external monitor… a very slim configuration, but that’s likely influenced by its smartphone processor ancestry. Smartphones don’t need to power a bunch of displays.…

> People who need more are likely to also want more in general, and the higher end options satisfy that.

I disagree. The topic comes up repeatedly whenever Apple Silicon is discussed. It’s my impression that for quite a lot of us the base M1 or M2 would be everything we wish for from a pure performance perspective. Yet the limited display output options are the only thing that force us towards the Pro and higher tiers.

It seems like a deliberate limitation and I don’t like this form of product segmentation.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by lynguist »

avianes wrote: post #725
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The ISA does not matter in a CPU design. But the process node is also not the main reason. What matters is only microarchitecture. And Apple has by far the most performant microarchitecture design of all CPUs.

ISA does matter in a CPU design and CPU performance: - Variable instruction sizes make the front-end more complex and limits the decoding width; - Delayslot makes superscalar front-end more complex; - Page size limits VIPT L1 cache size; - Dedicated SIMD/FP architectural registers allow dedicated SIMD/FP physical register files; ... The choice and design of the ISA is extremely important, it's hard to argue that the…

Mike Clark, the architect of Zen says in [1] literally that ISA doesn’t matter and that it’s all about the microarchitecture.

Quote: “Although I've worked on x86 obviously for 28 years, it's just an ISA, and you can build a low-power design or a high-performance out any ISA. I mean, ISA does matter, but it's not the main component - you can change the ISA if you need some special instructions to do stuff, but really the microarchitecture is in a lot of ways independent of the ISA. There are some interesting quirks in the different ISAs, but at the end of the day, it's really about microarchitecture.”

In the end, ISA is such a small part that impacts the design of a modern high performance CPU that it is almost negligible. It is physically impacting only the decode unit, but the decode unit is only a few percent of die area. Feel free to listen to the whole interview to get a feeling.

1: https://youtu.be/3vyNzgOP5yw

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by shinycode »

josu wrote: post #255

Apple A4 (2010) vs A5 (2011) - CPU: 100% faster - GPU: 600% faster Apple M1 (2020) vs M2 (2022) - CPU: 18% faster - GPU: 35% faster Diminishing returns.

It depends also on the % of what.

600% of 1$

18% of 1 000 000$

Which % do you prefer ?

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by Shadonototra »

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> Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there. Games? the biggest market is the Mobile market, Desktop market is shrinking year after year, it'll become a niche very soon Ever heard of Genshin Impact? https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-f... And please learn to pro…

> Games? Yes, games. Even as a floundering mess, Blizzard rakes in 300-400mm/quarter on a single game that is a PC exclusive, without insane microtransactions/loot boxes.

That's exactly why Blizzard is working on a mobile version of WoW, that's exactly why they made a mobiel version of Hearthstone, and that's why Riot is porting their games on mobile too 300-400M/quarter is nothing compared to what others are doing on mobile, and it is a strong IP with a dedicated playerbase that grew with the game

"In the first three months of 2022, Genshin Impact raked in £450million from player sales"

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Post by Shadonototra »

burmanm wrote: post #177
Shadonototra wrote: post #133

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> Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there. Games? the biggest market is the Mobile market, Desktop market is shrinking year after year, it'll become a niche very soon Ever heard of Genshin Impact? https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-f... And please learn to pro…

Games, yes, games. We're talking about laptops here, not mobile phones. PC gaming industry is huge and continues to be (even in the future iterations you talk about). When it comes to projections, the ~1300€ laptops are not going to be the ones taking over the world. Not in any realistic projection, unless the inflation goes to Turkey level. Every people makes deliberate choice, don't discount someone's choice not be…

M1 and now M2 allows macbooks to run iOS apps/games natively so that makes macbooks able to consume natively the biggest market for Games, moving forward that's huge, as more games are being ported to phones Apex, Call of Duty, GTA, FIFA, Heartstone, League of Legends, Fortnite, Valorant (including indie titles like Dead Cells, Minecraft, Terraria)

and with Cloud gaming coming, as the infrastructure improves, and fiber becoming more and more popular, that'll allow every kind of devices able to consume intensive games

Microsoft added Android VM support in windows 11 because they know what's going on, they have access to the numbers

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