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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Natsu »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast.

People support the free market because they like freedom. People conspiring to deplatform legal content cuts against that freedom. And they see arguments like this one as rhetorical tricks to get them to disarm and be colonized.

This is just the GPL vs. BSD wars all over again, with people claiming that freedom only means BSD-style and not worrying about the freedom-preserving aspects of the GPL and that if you're pro-GPL you're anti-freedom.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by rymate1234 »

flippinburgers wrote: post #509
jcims wrote: post #250

I grew up around evangelical Christians. The negative reaction to Rogan *feels* exactly like the clucking and tutting about 'dangerous ideas' that I've heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew.

The thing that is so hard for me to wrap my head around is that it is the LEFT who is doing it this time. I never would have imagined my "team" being the one to do it. In fact, I have to wonder what it is that I "am" anymore.

The "left" is no more immune to controlling thought than the right -- just look at China or the USSR

The danger is authoritarianism and centralisation, and in terms of centralisation big tech companies like Spotify have in spades. You could also feasibly argue they're authoritarian as no-one outside the company can influence policy outside of free market forces, but centralisation can make these companies somewhat immune to said forces, for instance Spotify being the exclusive distributor of Joe Rogan podcasts means those interested in his content have no choice but to continue using Spotify, even though some of his podcasts have been removed.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by amelius »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding (...)

As a proponent of Net Neutrality, I recognize that there are instances where corporations should not have the last say in any matter.

A free market with unbounded rights for corporations is not a good idea.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by beaned »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I don't think there is any conflict here, people aren't criticizing how the free market works, they're criticizing Spotify for what they see as caving. The "free market" allows companies to do whatever they want with their IP, and it also allows people who are unhappy with that company's actions to criticize them. There's nothing that's not "free market" about that.

If you are trying to make the distinction that "censorship" is a term with a specific definition that applies to government censorship, I don't think people really disagree with that either, they're just using the phrase loosely because nobody's provided a better concept to apply. Call it corpo-sensorship, or corpoship, or whatever, but until there's a better word people will just keep using the more digestible one in a lazy way.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by TrevorAustin »

mastax wrote: post #708
klagermkii wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

How do you feel about that Wu Tang album that sold to Martin Skreli? Should the government have stopped that sale?

As a legal matter, no, though copyright terms should be shorter.

As a civil society matter, I think we should agree that making a secret album so that it ends up in the hands of a hedge fund criminal is uncool. It’s appropriate and even good for us to say that while that’s something allowed by the rules, we accord it no honor.

The tech didn’t exist at the time, but honestly wouldn’t it be better for the world if Wu-Tang had issued a single exclusive NFT of the album, and then made the actual music freely available?

I mean maybe not, maybe the songs actually suck, but I would certainly like to hear them.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ryguytilidie »

nomilk wrote: post #224

This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Mezzie »

I hope that the episodes are properly archived somewhere so that in the future when our emotions cool, we can examine this more objectively. Spotify may have the legal right to pull the episodes, but this clash has cultural significance and so we should preserve everything as accurately as possible so its repercussions can be studied.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ryguytilidie »

YEwSdObPQT wrote: post #478
snotrockets wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

A shock jock? Howard Stern was a shock jock. Have you ever watched Joe Rogan? He has a 3 hour conversation with a guest where he talks at lengths about pretty much anything he wants to ask them about. That isn't a shock jock!

>He has a 3 hour conversation with a guest where he talks at lengths about pretty much anything he wants to ask them about.

Or, for the last two years, Covid and only Covid.

And anyone who disagrees with him, including the world's leading experts are stupid.

Then he has Alex Jones on to say provocative things to boost his audience.

But yes, we will call this open research, and not being a shock jock somehow...?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by hurril »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

You're conflating whether or not a private entity is free to do something with whether or not I agree with the soundness of that action. They are distinct.
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