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No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by area51org »

TameAntelope wrote: post #693
mattmaroon wrote: post #682

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC has been unfortunately hopelessly politicized. It happened long before the pandemic. OTOH, I would make the differentiating point that air travel has positive benefits to society and costs and one has to weigh those against each other. You can’t make the blanket statement “earth would be better off if air travel went away completely.” It’s hard to find any benefit to smoking, first hand or second, so it’s eas…

This isn't politics, it's safety. I accept the argument that the CDC has become overly innumerate in how to live a healthy life, but it's not a liberal or conservative idea to be cautious.

There is such a thing as being unnecessarily and overly cautious, however. This sure seems like a good example of that.

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Post by exdsq »

chainwax wrote: post #738
thomaspaine wrote: post #129

For everyone complaining about evidence citation, this is just a press release. The actual brief which includes 41 citations is here: https://world-heart-federation.org/wp-content/uploads/WHF-Po...

I saw this from this link: https://world-heart-federation.org/news/no-amount-of-alcohol... In that article, it states: "Alcohol has a greater impact on people from low socio-economic backgrounds, who are more likely to experience its adverse effects compared to people from higher socio-economic backgrounds, even when consuming similar or lower amounts." Can someone provide some insight here? What does your wage have…

I'm not 100% certain about this, but my initial thoughts are that low socio-economic backgrounds will have less medical treatment (especially preventative) so issues aren't caught as quickly meaning you'll have more health issues at the same consumption rates. Other stats such as higher socio-economic backgrounds tending to eat more healthy foods, exercise more, have a greater ability to have a fruitful social life etc, will all be additional factors.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

dionidium wrote: post #705
ethanbond wrote: post #704

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be a very meaningful comparison if people were regularly forcing a diner-full of people to hop on a plane with them several times per year.

Obviously the analogy to getting on the plane is walking in the diner .

I think we can all agree there are stronger arguments for air travel than habitual smoking of cigarettes.

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Post by xyzzyz »

dleslie wrote: post #730
ccakes wrote: post #707

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> The equivalent would be severely limiting it (for example, prohibiting business flying). People fly to go on holiday and experience cultures other than their own which is something we should be encouraging rather than discouraging. I strongly agree with reducing needless business travel but if doing so also limited vacation travel I think it'd be a net negative.

We should be discouraging all air travel. All of it.

No, we shouldn’t. Instead, we should work on ensuring that as many people are able to enjoy new opportunities it provides if they do desire as possible. Everyone should be able to enjoy life.

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Post by shadowofneptune »

solox3 wrote: post #202

I am fine with abstinence as a general recommendation, but critical thinking pointed out two issues with the WHF Policy Brief, which I suppose I have read in sufficient depth: 1. There is no citation on the sentence, "Recent evidence has found that no level of alcohol consumption is safe for health." This is really the only line we are interested in. 2. There is no comparison on the effects of alcohol on the body by…

What the studies have found is that drinking in moderation (at or below the 1–2 standard drinks a day limit) does not have cause a very large impact on life expectancy. This raises sharply after exceeding the limit.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/sorting-out-the-health-e...

Personally unsure whether a reduced year or two of life is really that significant.

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chainwax wrote: post #738
thomaspaine wrote: post #129

For everyone complaining about evidence citation, this is just a press release. The actual brief which includes 41 citations is here: https://world-heart-federation.org/wp-content/uploads/WHF-Po...

I saw this from this link: https://world-heart-federation.org/news/no-amount-of-alcohol... In that article, it states: "Alcohol has a greater impact on people from low socio-economic backgrounds, who are more likely to experience its adverse effects compared to people from higher socio-economic backgrounds, even when consuming similar or lower amounts." Can someone provide some insight here? What does your wage have…

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Post by jimmaswell »

thrashh wrote: post #739
dleslie wrote: post #727

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody gains anything from an activity that fundamentally requires exposure to tobacco smoke. Except smokers, of course. Smoking isn't just addictive and deadly, like alcohol, it has its own appeal to users.

We’re not talking smoking though We’re talking second hand smoke Who exactly is looking to get some second hand smoke in their face while avoiding actually smoking?

I seem to be in a small minority, but I always liked the smell of second hand smoke despite never smoking. I've smelled some cigarettes up close and I think I'd really like them, but I don't want to start for health reasons.

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Post by Havoc »

kstrauser wrote: post #159

Although I live in a place where weed is legal, I don’t use it. I enjoy the occasional glass of a nice scotch, though, and I love a good stout or porter beer. This is where it gets a little strange for me: by every metric I can think of, I’d be better off replacing alcohol with weed. There seem to be fewer negative effects, it’s not a source of empty calories, and looks like a better recreational drug in every way. A…

I seem to recall studies around weed and schizophrenia being correlated so not convinced it wins by all metrics. Probably just most

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Post by adam_arthur »

exdsq wrote: post #743
chainwax wrote: post #738

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw this from this link: https://world-heart-federation.org/news/no-amount-of-alcohol... In that article, it states: "Alcohol has a greater impact on people from low socio-economic backgrounds, who are more likely to experience its adverse effects compared to people from higher socio-economic backgrounds, even when consuming similar or lower amounts." Can someone provide some insight here? What does your wage have…

I'm not 100% certain about this, but my initial thoughts are that low socio-economic backgrounds will have less medical treatment (especially preventative) so issues aren't caught as quickly meaning you'll have more health issues at the same consumption rates. Other stats such as higher socio-economic backgrounds tending to eat more healthy foods, exercise more, have a greater ability to have a fruitful social life e…

That's true across the board though, and seems strange to call it out specifically in regards to alcohol consumption.
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