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Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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This happened to me with zipcar once. Truly sucked

Would you please share the story?

Almost exactly what the parent comment said. I went hiking with some friends in the hills by cupertino, not even far from cell range. But we didn't have service (neither did the car) so we couldn't use the app nor the fob to unlock the car. Ended up having to walk to call an uber and zipcar towed the car.

We got refunded but no other compensation

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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You’re not interested in paying for something that provides you with very clear value? So instead you wil go pay money for a different system to bolt on? I don’t mean to criticize, but I have to admit that I cannot empathize.

Would you find it appropriate for automakers to charge a monthly fee to be able to simply start an automobile you bought? If no, then why are you okay with a monthly fee to do so remotely? It’s rather straightforward - you’re either for usury or against it, I guess. This is usury. (usury is not exactly the right word, but it’s the best I could think of at the moment).

It’s nuanced - I don’t approve when someone changes the terms of a deal that we already agreed upon. At the same time, I think there is a reasonable expectation that companies don’t have to support something into eternity (not that is what happened here, but in general I think support for a feature that requires maintenance is okay to have an expected lifespan).

Another nuance is that starting the car is core to the functionality, remote start is not.

If they were doing this only moving forward, for new sales, I think it would be totally fine. I wouldn’t buy that car if I cared about the feature, but I totally think it’s valid to have premium subscription addons.

In the situation where they have altered the previous deal and the service does not require maintenance by the company, it’s pretty fucked up and i would love to see a class action happen for existing owners.

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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You’re not interested in paying for something that provides you with very clear value? So instead you wil go pay money for a different system to bolt on? I don’t mean to criticize, but I have to admit that I cannot empathize.

If I put a gun to your head and then sell you a service of not shooting, that's a clear value too right?

In this narrow of a scope, yes - it is absolutely valuable for me to be able to pay to not die. The alternative is to be killed.

But of course the world is larger than this made up example. Context matters, and this context isn’t really relevant except to say that there are different contexts that necessitate different decisions.

But you knew that, even as you posted such a ridiculous comparison. I think your point would have been much more effective and less reactionary if you had actually made your point, instead of resorting to absurdism.

Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start

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Even worse, D+ streams 4k HDR at no extra cost. And, subjectively, seems to have a higher bitrate or better compression than other popular services. (Looking at you and your garbage compression, Netflix!)

Disney can deliver high bandwidth HD because their content is semantically compressed upstream, at the production level.

I don’t understand why, though. I’ve noticed some really ugly compression in brand new Amazon and Netflix original shows, which should have the same benefit of being produced “in-house”
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