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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by DCKing »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #674
arendtio wrote: post #624

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So would you please help me to find an ROM with an up-to-date Android Common Kernel for my i9300 Samsung Galaxy S3? AFAIK, the only way to run it with working drivers for all hardware components, are ROMs which use the rusty 3.0.101 Linux kernel from back in the day and I think that is what DCKing is referring to. If you want to create a new ROM, you either have to use the old kernel and have an upper Limit of Androi…

It is different for phones made by the people who also make Android. Google. Which is why I was specifically talking about the pixel and the nexus phones sold by google. For example, kernel version 4.9.3 - the latest one (yes, originally released in november of 2017) supports up to the latest Android. In fact, since 4.1 supports the latest Android, and will till June 2024 according to google. I'm going to go on a lim…

> So, Nexus6 released in 2014 will be able to run the latest android, fully security patched including kernel (which is not that important), till about 2026.

This is getting to borderline misinformation here. Sorry to have made you dig in to this position, but please don’t call this fully patched. Qualcomm abandoned the Snapdragon 805 in the Nexus 6 in 2017 (maybe even 2016), and no updates to that platform's kernel drivers or other proprietary components exist. You can patch up open source pieces - those are important too - but that doesn’t count as “fully security patched”. Kernel drivers are a very important vector on any system, on Android especially so.

This is why e.g. CalyxOS has these EoL notices for Google devices much newer than the Nexus 6 here: https://calyxos.org/install/ They’re honest not everything can be updated!

If you choose to run your devices this way, more power to you. It's a legit way of extending a phone's life with some tradeoffs. But please inform others about the actual limitations.

> For example, kernel version 4.9.3 - the latest one (yes, originally released in november of 2017) supports up to the latest Android.

I couldn't find anything online about Nexus 6 kernels that are not some version of Linux 3.10, which despite being an LTS release was EoLed by the Linux kernel developers end of 2017. Would be curious to get any sources on the information that the Nexus 6 has modern-ish kernels available.

It's a rare feat that Android devices get a new major kernel version, _even with_ vendor support.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by GeekyBear »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #511
GeekyBear wrote: post #427

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Apple does not scan on device photos at all. It's something they announced they might do to images you upload to iCloud Photos some day in the future. Google, on the other hand, has been scanning the entire contents of your account for the past decade. >a man [was] arrested on child pornography charges, after Google tipped off authorities about illegal images found in the Houston suspect’s Gmail account. https://tech…

You do not have to use Google Photos if you do not want to on any Android phone. You can upload photos to your own server in the background exactly like the Google Photos app does. On iOS, only iCloud Photos can do that. It is strictly worse for privacy.

You do not have to use iCloud Photos either.

However, Google is scanning everything in your account.

We recently had a thread from a historian whose entire account was suspended after Google scanned all the files in his Google Drive, and didn't like what they saw (files on the history of tanks).

https://support.google.com/accounts/thread/81988101/google-l...

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by hocuspocus »

krzyk wrote: post #736
hocuspocus wrote: post #682

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It's super easy to resell them, it took me a couple days last year even though they were the QC35 II (which were heavily discounted right and left around Black Friday). It'll be only easier this year with the 700. Sure, it'd be much easier for everyone to get a $200 discount but that just hasn't happened at all after preorders.

> Sure, it'd be much easier for everyone to get a $200 discount but that just hasn't happened at all after preorders. Yes it did: https://www.engadget.com/2018-11-15-google-pixel-3-black-fri... That's the reason I prefer to wait.

That's completely irrelevant to last year's models. And there were no preorders for the Pixel 3.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by DCKing »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731
DCKing wrote: post #728

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I love Fairphone’s promise, but execution is another thing. Fair warning here is that I’ve seen the experience with a Fairphone 3 up close, and it wasn’t up to my standards in terms of camera and software bugs (caller ID has not worked for months), let alone the barebones hardware they ship. I hope they get there, but the Fairphone 3 certainly wasn’t it for me. What I don’t understand about Fairphone is how they will…

Google had announced that all phones shipping with Android 11 with snapdragon chipset will be eligible for up to 4 Android OS versions (launch release + 3 OS updates) and 4 years of security updates as the result of project treble and getting Qualcomm on line. Which is more or less is inline with 5 years software support guarantee of FP.

That’s a lot of handwaving you need to do to get a tiny company to support phones beyond their suppliers intents - especially the SD660 equipped Fairphone 3. This is stuff given as the reason that Google moved away from Qualcomm for.

Given the rest of their software, I don’t really trust them to deliver. I’ll happily be convinced otherwise though.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by hocuspocus »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #725
hocuspocus wrote: post #345

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Not true with last year's Pixels in several European countries. We got $200 Bose headphones during preorders. There was never a better time to buy them after that. Probably the same thing with the Pixel 6/6P this year.

I think that was a loss leading tactic to encourage sales. Google can't gauge an early-adopter market that isn't buying their products. Pixels are more expensive in Europe and no Bose headsets were ever included in the US version. If it weren't something they intended to entice Europeans, wouldn't they have provided a similar deal elsewhere?

The Pixel 5 was actually cheaper in Europe because it didn't support mmWave 5G.

Sure, it's a loss leading tactic. And that's my point. Outside the US, Google is using incredibly weird, inconsistent and half-assed marketing tactics. If you believe there will be something better than getting free Bose 700 headphones, you'll probably be disappointed.

I ordered my Pixel 5 on day one, and I was waiting for good deals throughout the year so that I could recommend it to family members, and that just didn't happen. And the 5a wasn't even released in most of the world.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #721
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #652

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Apple just released a 13 mini, is that not in the same screen size segment?

Yes, they did. Exact same dimensions except the thickness (which is fine I'd have preferred a thicker 12 mini with much more battery). Thing is I bought 12 mini 3 weeks ago (replaced my 4 years old iPhone 7). It was way cheaper than 13 mini at the time of that sale. Also the only thing important for me in 13 mini better than 12 mini was battery which isn't that significant a difference imho. I hope to use 12 mini for…

I didn't mean to suggest you'd want to buy a 13 mini, it just seems to be counter to the rumours that they're abandoning the form factor.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by marcellus23 »

throwaway122905 wrote: post #263
marcellus23 wrote: post #183

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> Still: they scan photos locally - those are not cloud photos, those are local photos. They are cloud photos. I say that because: 1. The photos are in the process of being uploaded to the cloud when they are scanned 2. The result of the scan is attached to the photo only when it is uploaded to the cloud. If the photo is deleted from the cloud, or the upload is canceled, the scan result is discarded Practically, the…

This conversation is rather bizarre. The input to the scanning system is a sequence of bits, read from the flash memory in the phone. Therefore, the scanning is local. There's really nothing more to it: The distinction is based on where the input is read from, in addition to where the input is processed. Both are happening inside the phone while you hold it in your hand. It is scanning images locally. This is totally…

I'm not claiming the distinction doesn't actually exist. Obviously the scanning is taking place on the phone. What I'm asking (which you have not actually answered) is: why does that make any sort of practical difference? Your argument is "it's happening on the phone, and that's self-evidentially bad".

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by dekoruotas »

eis wrote: post #274

Google seems to have for some reason requested a very/overly broad embargo from reviewers which does not let them show any photos taken with the device or software features for now. MKBHD mentions this (and shows nothing from the phone really) @ https://youtu.be/roWxo6jWoYw?t=140 And Mrwhosetheboss said he refused to cover these phones due to the embargo. The Tech Chap mentions he can't show anything apart from the h…

The embargo is imposed until Monday 25th October 2021 [1]. I will be staying away from that pre-order button until then.

[1] https://twitter.com/jon_prosser/status/1450215058269773832

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