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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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andrew_ wrote: post #511
albatross13 wrote: post #430

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I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), but there are plenty of aspects to this that help drive people's fear: - Phase 3 trials for Pfizer not complete until May 2023: ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 ) - Control group(s) were given vaccines after 14 days: ( https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... ) - Pfizer generates 1.9bn in revenue off of 100m doses, just in the USA alone, cre…

Having to preface a comment with vaccination status is truly unfortunate.

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by 55555 »

giarc wrote: post #601
albatross13 wrote: post #479

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I think it is, when you read Pfizer's contract and fact0r in things like "Governments have to pay, regardless of whether or not the shipment arrives: on time, damaged, or at all". I suggest you browse their leaked contract: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20616251-albanian-pf... Pfizer has also been strong arming small, Latin American countries, to the tune of trying to get military assets as "collateral" ( h…

>Governments have to pay, regardless of whether or not the shipment arrives: on time, damaged, or at all Wouldn't this be standard language in any contract? If I buy a widget and they ship it to me, if it gets damaged in transit, or lost in transit I still have to pay the producer, I then go after the delivery company (and/or their insurance) for compensation.

It depends. Sometimes you buy EXW, sometimes FOB, sometimes delivery is guaranteed. Just depends on the deal. But mostly, yes, you're right.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by mrkramer »

3l3c7r1c wrote: post #647
neither_color wrote: post #570

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>I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), May I ask why? I've had two shots without much hesitation but this whole booster thing came out of nowhere and gives me "fool me twice" vibes. I understand getting a flu shot every year to target new strains but this would be the exact same shot as 8 months ago.

Body takes repeat threat way more seriously. That's the reason second dose of vaccine mRNA creates about 10x more antibodies. Almost all kids vaccine require a second or even 3 shots with months of gap in between to create stronger immunity. ( https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc... ) If you keep a tab on the news you might have seen antibody level from covid vaccines drops significantly over…

But how are Spanish Flu survivors still immune after 90 years?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/flu-survi...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by 34679 »

seoaeu wrote: post #337
peakaboo wrote: post #205

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This is not true. There could be birth defects or lower iq in babies born from vaccinated mothers.

Those could also be long term side effects of covid . A double digit percentage of people who catch the disease end up in the hospital soon after infection compared to fraction of a fraction of a percent of vaccine recipients in the time after they get the shot. Your priors have to be absolutely outrageous if based on the currently available data you think the risks are even within an order of magnitude.

3.2 per 100,000 is not "a double digit percentage".

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628...

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Post by vikingerik »

kelnos wrote: post #587
mlang23 wrote: post #220

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The vaccination is still not mandatory, right? Why do you write "excuse"? Are you really so full of yourself that you can not accept that people make different decisions from yours? Why do you even care? I assume you got the vaccine for yourself. So what is the issue? Why do you have to speak about your fellow humans in such a derogatory tone?

Unvaccinated people are prolonging the pandemic, and everything about it: restrictions, lockdowns, healthcare workers' extreme overwork, you name it. Let's also not forget those of us who have friends and family who have compromised immune systems or who cannot be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons, or children under 12 who cannot yet be vaccinated. Anti-vaxxers are actively causing those people harm. I care b…

Governments are prolonging the restrictions and lockdowns. Unvaccinated people are not doing that. Governments are.

Demonizing unvaccinated people is the language of an abuser: "Look what you're making me do to you." The way out of abuse isn't ever to comply with the abuser's demands.

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Post by dang »

yupper32 wrote: post #387
thepasswordis wrote: post #200

People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…

> the weird, Orwellian ways that the government talks about it, has turned me against the booster. You desperately need to take a step back and look at yourself and how you evaluate things. You decided to go against the booster because of your feelings, not because of science. You want government decisions to be guided by science, and yet you are very clearly anti-science with your decision making. > To many of you h…

Please don't cross into personal attack on HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It's against the rules here and only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by the_doctah »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #513
thesis wrote: post #333

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Should the flu be mandatory as well? Flu & Covid have similar risks in children: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999241558/in-kids-the-risk-of...

There are a few vaccines I had to have for school when I was younger. What’s the difference?

Compare the severity of those viruses in children to Covid.

A more apt comparison is Covid to Influenza. You don't need flu shots to attend school.

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Post by dntrkv »

a_imho wrote: post #450
vvilliamperez wrote: post #239

Like someone else mentioned, I think the core issue is "Should the government have the right to mandate medical procedures?" In my mind, I'm vaccinated, so what does it matter to me if others are not?

Kevin Sorbo's take https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1417538663018344448 Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus that they were vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated. I'm really interested a rebuttal to this.

Higher vaccination rate == less spread == less mutations.

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Post by yonaguska »

7952 wrote: post #722
jboggan wrote: post #627

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I would like to see an example of previous trials where the placebo group was invalidated prematurely by informing them and giving them the actual drug. If this is common practice I'm not aware of it. Note the date on this article - this was back in February of this year: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... Don't denigrate a perfectly valid criticism of deviations from historical norms of…

Surely the point of a placebo in this case was to measure effectiveness rather than detect long term side effects. There are other methods of establishing a control such as comparing to the general population.

Not if the general population is mandated to be vaccinated.

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Post by peteradio »

dfxm12 wrote: post #609
chitowneats wrote: post #530

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Sure, happy to elaborate. The best example of this is my niece who is a nurse in NYC. She cannot participate at all in city life after the mandate and will soon lose her job over it this Fall. She's very seriously considering leaving the city and her profession entirely. Those who feel that when push comes to shove, people will just get vaxxed, are in for a rude awakening. I understand that you believe that unvaxxed…

She cannot participate at all in city life after the mandate and will soon lose her job over it this Fall. I do believe the carrot works better than the stick, but I don't think this goes as far as being "treated like a threat". I understand that you believe that unvaxxed are where the mutations happen. I didn't say this and this is not my full belief :( . Mutations can happen at any new infection (including breakthr…

Burden of proof is on you! Why should recovered people be treated differently from vaccinated? Show that the elevated risk somehow associated with naturally derived antibodies is worth depriving livelihood. What marginal societal reward do you expect from this treatment?
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