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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by solarengineer »

MaximumYComb wrote: post #631
zests wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about it. Cows release carbon based green house gasses. Where does that carbon originally come from? Plants absorbing carbon based green house gasses. I'm not saying that they cancel out, but there must be some consumption of carbon from the atmosphere in order for cows to produce carbon. If you're an environmentalist trying to convince people to support your cause, you aren't going to talk about the carbon tha…

This is what I don't understand about companies planting trees to offset their fossil fuel CO2. Our problems are heavily caused by carbon being dug out of the ground and released. A tree just means that the carbon will be released at a later date

We also need to be restoring all the tree cover that we’ve been removing. Trees do more than just storing carbon. They provide us with oxygen, hold top soil together, provide natural habitat for various wild life, cool an area enough to attract rain clouds, and much more.

Though, replacing the cover isn’t enough and more needs to be done - such as reducing greenhouse gas emission and removal of greenhouse gasses ( by using Carbon Capture Systems, for example).

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by ricardobayes »

As a person who likes to research and optimize things, I have optimized meat out of my life. At first I ate "pareto-plant-based" meaning 80% plant-based, 20% meat, usually at social gatherings. Then I realised I eat meat only to please others and to "fit in", so I gave up on that and accepted being an outcast. I'm really thankful for remote work so I don't have to pretend anymore. I never called myself "vegan" even though I eat like one because people think I'm judging them or something. They hated me just for existing.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by globular-toast »

yurishimo wrote: post #396
Black101 wrote: post #197

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I drain the 80/20 meat after cooking it... so it is probably close to 90% meat when I'm done

Yea depends on how you use it. Ground meat cooked for a casserole, probably too much fat, but 20% fat in a burger is good.

Nah, it's all the same. People who need to drain mince don't know how to cook properly.

Burgers are supposed to be made with lean meat but with extra fat added in to make it nice again. That's the whole point of a burger. You take tough, lean meat that is otherwise undesirable, and grind it up and mix it with fat. Essentially creating the perfectly marbled steak. Grinding premium cuts is idiotic.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by globular-toast »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #450
mathgorges wrote: post #145

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The fat percentage criticism strikes me as a bit odd. At least where I am (USA) ground meat is categorized by its fat percentage and 20% fat is the standard I usually see in the supermarket. I guess what I'm saying is: 20% is indeed a high fat percentage, but it's also the typical fat percentage for conventional meat so it feels disingenuous to use it to criticize plant-based meats.

Are you talking about minced beef? I buy that at 5% fat in the UK, and that’s not anywhere fancy.

For the record, Italians wouldn't use anything less than 20% for their ragu. Not that this has much to do with "spaghetti bolognese" I suppose.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by ricardobayes »

kmonsen wrote: post #694
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

I'm not vegan, but I always pick the Beyond/impossible options when they are available. I hardly taste the difference and one less cow had to die for me having a tasty meal. And greenhouse gasses I guess, but for me animal cruelty is the most important.

You are one cool person

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by ricardobayes »

Chris2048 wrote: post #285
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

I eat less meat because I think quality has declined; as meat is seen as the default-superior option, quality is less scrutinised, and has thus lowered. As such, either I buy expensive, from a trusted location, I I stick to something else; Vegan options has been good quality so far, not that I don't expect this to change in the future. Right now highly processed & shaped pink slime (with added salt + sugar) is sold a…

Don't think it's just marketing though. People always reject change at first - and they are right to do so. This reaction is coded in us. I just hope vegan food items will not go the path of electric vehicles where they are forced on us without choice. (Saying this as a plant-based eater).

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by thu2111 »

MaximumYComb wrote: post #631
zests wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about it. Cows release carbon based green house gasses. Where does that carbon originally come from? Plants absorbing carbon based green house gasses. I'm not saying that they cancel out, but there must be some consumption of carbon from the atmosphere in order for cows to produce carbon. If you're an environmentalist trying to convince people to support your cause, you aren't going to talk about the carbon tha…

This is what I don't understand about companies planting trees to offset their fossil fuel CO2. Our problems are heavily caused by carbon being dug out of the ground and released. A tree just means that the carbon will be released at a later date

I think the assumption is that:

1. the tree will eventually be replaced by another tree, but more trees are being planted overall than are dying, so their numbers go up

2. the time dimension matters a lot. i.e. sequestering lots of CO2 inside trees now is still useful even if it gets released later because by then maybe technology will have improved to be less fossil fuel dependent.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by yc-kraln »

I think it's amazing that Beyond Meat has managed to convince everyone that their extremely complicated, oily, fatty, plant-protein based burgers are any sort of ersatz for beef.

I have tried burgers made with it, they taste fine, but I can't believe that it is any healthier than beef. And I don't believe that a more expensive product has any chance of offsetting beef demand.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by ben_w »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #727
ben_w wrote: post #137

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Lentils, tofu, peanuts, and seitan are 25%, 20%, 28%, and 80% protein by weight. Meat is about 26%, according to WolframAlpha. Not that you actually need very many grams of protein each day to be healthy.

It actually matters which proteins are in there. Plants in general, and seitan in particular, are pretty bad in that regard and so much (to most, for seitan) of that protein can’t actually be used by your body unless you find ways to supplement the missing essential amino acids.

It’s very easy to get protein diversity in a vegetarian or a vegan diet, though I grant it isn’t automatic like it would be in a meat diet.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by Freak_NL »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #352
elktea wrote: post #59

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The popular crusade against meat is one of the more misguided. Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant and the environmental impacts have been greatly exaggerated. See below: Regarding carbon: "removal of livestock in the US would only lead to a net GHG reduction of 2.6% in national emissions. Similarly, removing all dairy would lead to a reduction of just 0.7%. At the same time, both transitions woul…

Real climate change can only happen with the cooperation of the worlds biggest polluters: China and India.

So the rest of the world should do nothing until they do something instead of setting an example or starting somewhere? What's the point of this statement? Just keep pointing fingers to the black sheep, and the black sheep will defend itself by saying that it is only fair that it gets to do what the other countries got to do before environmentalism was a thing.

Yeah, that'll solve problems.

It's defeatist standpoint, and as a statement it only serves to undermine any green initiative not taken in China or India. You could pose it as a question: “But how can we get China and India on board?”, and you might provoke more meaningful responses.

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