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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by matt-attack »

greedo wrote: post #614
matt-attack wrote: post #424

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So it’s now just a given that all of HN objects to the phrase “free speech” without limits? Seems like a pretty radical assumption and a pretty sad sign of the times if true. Note: this message has nothing to do with Parler and being right or left. Just about the phrase “free speech” and what it now connotes.

Free speech has always had limits...

Well maybe in the eyes of US law, but what that's not a given for, well, me or perhaps others on HN. Take "the US highway network" for example. It can just as easily be used to transport black-market items, child porn, weapons, drugs, etc as it can transport ice cream bars. I support it. Tor just as easily supports drug sales as it does star-trek reviews. I support it.

Can't say for sure, but I think it's hazardous to assume we all prescribe to the exact same notion of the limits on free speech.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by 1024core »

judge2020 wrote: post #379
nullc wrote: post #51

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Don't worry, the "hacked material" rule on twitter will prevent anything derived from this being posted on twitter. Right???

Since it's WARC and is going to end up on archive.org (archive.org is going to host it, but a different org 'archive team' are the ones who downloaded it), twitter isn't going to stop it from being posted since it's just going to show up as a link to web.archive.org. Arguably this isn't 'hacked data' since it's stuff that was wget'd and no security measure circumvention took place.

Why can't I download these files from archive.org? All of the interesting files are marked as "not available for download"

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by andromeduck »

klyrs wrote: post #733
andromeduck wrote: post #705

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Is there a legal reason to have defamation up there? It seems like a pretty funny one to have for a free speech platform - the others are more understandable.

Defamation is not free speech, it's illegal.

So it's just there to cover bases then? It's basically impossible to win a defamation case when the subject is a public person no?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by chrisco255 »

joshstrange wrote: post #641
sdenton4 wrote: post #479

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This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these days. Part of the reason is the design of the software itself. HN does a better job of this than most because of very careful design choices and solid moderation. But if this could be accomplished for politics in general, I think it would be a good thing for society.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Dig1t »

wnevets wrote: post #640
balls187 wrote: post #630

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> It is literally the same as Twitter. Pretty much. What I find troubling is that despite containing the same cesspool of vile content, Twitter never got booted from Google and Apple App stores, and AWS.

Please send me twitter links of people conspiring to commit violence so I can report them.

Here are some interesting ones:

https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/13162253889059266...

https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/13089834842880450...

https://twitter.com/Windstalker361/status/129150221759012044...

https://twitter.com/ScothSenpai/status/1311436929351790592

I agree Parler is/was shit and yay for its death, but there IS a non-trivial amount of extremist stuff on Twitter as well and IMO letting this stuff persist just creates further division.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by diragon »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #452

This person committed a crime to leak this data. I don't know how any of you can be this blatantly two-faced or so unprincipled. You're cheering on a criminal committing a crime. You're cheering on the suppression of an entire political party, while calling them extremists, fascists, terrorists, and every other -ist that you feel vaguely fits the bill. Yes, a few of them marched on the capitol. Yes, that was awful. N…

Not an entire political party. "All terrorists all Republicans" (which is most probably a true statement for the terrorists who attacked the Capitol) and "All Republicans are terrorists" are not equivalent statements.

Republicans are way more than that alt-right fringe. They have a respectable history and many good political stances.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by klyrs »

whimsicalism wrote: post #530
chrononaut wrote: post #491

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> b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration I assume that point was an extension of OP's comment of: "that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts." For those interested, here is a link to the USA Today article from the screenshot evaluating whether "the crime bill brought mass incarceration to Black Americans": https://www.usatoda…

> I'd say I agree with the points in the article over the non-contextual, anonyomous, blanket statement that the crime bill brought ("caused") mass incarceration of Black Americans. Perhaps it is not an appropriately nuanced claim - I would be curious if there is equal enforcement of the "contextual" clarity of claims made in all political memes though. My guess is no, and it is also a quite common view among academi…

> I haven't, for instance, seen fact-checking of memes about Russia "stealing" the election or Donald Trump being a servant of Putin, despite those claims being potentially "non-contextual."

Have you heard of the Mueller Report? There's been extensive fact-checking on this, and Trump obstructed the investigation.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by seppin »

macintux wrote: post #535
whimsicalism wrote: post #332

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They're just not even remotely the same thing. Nothing like 9/11 or the OKC bombing has happened in the last 19 years; full stop. I have lived in DC my whole life, I hate to see this happening in my city, but we can be honest with ourselves.

This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event.

And until such a thing occurs, most Trump adjacent HN members with continue to play "no true scotsman" with the extremists amongst them.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by netzone »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #704
joshstrange wrote: post #641

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Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

Is there something in reddit "bylaws" that says any post has to be accepted in a group that meant specifically for a certain group "/r/..." ? I thought moderators could allow/disallow whatever they wanted as long as it doesn't violate TOS or is illegal? I have seen the same thing in more left leaning, women's rights, or whatever. Am I missing something in your complaint? That said all that the_donald/conservative/etc…

I believe he was just noting the irony of someone claiming something, then openly not doing so, rather than any rules being broken.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by thebigman433 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #744
joshstrange wrote: post #641

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Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these da…

I think the difference is that r/politics doesnt actually ban you for posting something conservative, its just the users deciding they dont like it. I dont use it either way due to their horrible link rules, but there is definitely a difference in my opinion.
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