Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by jessehattabaugh » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:40 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #4

It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…

I'm okay with inconveniencing shitheads. If they are frustrated with how difficult it is to be a shithead, they can always stop being a shithead.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by Triv888 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:41 AM UTC

zelly wrote: post #386

Hypothetically, how would you go about staying online completely independently? Let's say you build your own data center, buy the real estate (because a landlord could be pressured to cancel your lease), purchase all the network equipment, and hire your own full-time employees. You still need to lease an IP block and a fiber connection from a carrier (like AT&T, Century Link, etc.). Couldn't they deplatform you too?…

Host it in a different country... But it could of course still get blocked by the US government.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by asxd » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:42 AM UTC

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

Since 2016 I've tried very hard to understand and empathize with the baffling behavior of staunch Trump supporters. Certainly not to support their politics, but to restore some sense of stability to my world view--that people are generally sympathetic. This especially hit home when hearing my wonderful parents' supporting Trump's hateful rhetoric.

I'm now starting to think that his message is in fact too dangerous to even try and rationalize. The people that follow them are feeling something I don't understand, but there's just no excuse to humor them any longer. His rhetoric is tearing us apart, and it needs to end.

For god's sake, the hate needs to end.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by randyrand » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:46 AM UTC

rubycon22 wrote: post #240

Just build your own website bro Just build your own host bro Just build your own financial banking system bro Just build your own water and power infrastructure bro

Just build your own country. Oh wait, don't do that!

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Post by CodeShmode » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:47 AM UTC

dpeterson wrote: post #717

Listen to yourselves in your echo chamber of the left try to justify this. Q-tards and Antifa stormed the capital. The people you so righteously call racist and seditious are not and did nothing of the sort. What Antifa and a few Q-tards did on Jan. 6 doesn't discredit the fact the establishment politicians and our corporate overlords have sold out to China and don't want to be held accountable and would prefer to fo…

So this video from that day of a man inside the capitol calmly convincing a police officer to go home because there's thousands of people surrounding the building? Is he a Q-Tard or is he Antifa?

https://youtu.be/lhjRXO72v1s?t=314

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by Triv888 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:48 AM UTC

brink wrote: post #211

Why do these companies suddenly now care about enforcing the mantra of the integrity of the electoral system now, and not in 2016? Why do these companies suddenly now care about sites hosting content that encourages violent activity now, and not in June?

Better put your cash in some kind of asset because inflation is about to go through the roof.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by vowelless » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:48 AM UTC

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

For years these platforms have been getting rid of Islamist content. And thats a good thing. How is this any different? Is it because it is so close to home? Probably.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by throwaway2021a » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:49 AM UTC

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

>I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest If I'm honest, maybe I'm just a little inured to the events of this year? We had events like the CHAZ where groups of armed protesters declared American soil autonomous, numerous people died, and it took authorities a month to shut the protest down.

I agree... the events of 1/6 "feel" different (certainly the response has been), but I'm struggling to understand why, and that alights in the skeptic in me. Is it just that one cause is deemed righteous, and the other is deemed not?

Just as happy as most to see Donald go, but it's hard to not see this reaction formation on behalf of the left / big tech as manufactured outrage and advantage seeking.

(Genuinely conflicted -- feel free to correct me.)

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by Qub3d » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:53 AM UTC

mjfl wrote: post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

Well, this sounds like a monopoly problem, not a free speech problem.

If Apple were forced to allow alternative app stores this wouldn't be an issue. Note that they don't have to advertise or host these stores, merely not actively design their products and TOS to prohibit them.

But then of course they'd risk losing out on some of that sweet, sweet 30% cut.

I see this concern pointing not at stronger protections for speech, but stronger anti-trust enforcement.

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Post by newguy1234 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:54 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #4

It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…

I am a conservative and right now in the community there is talks of using high-anonymity tools like TOR to go completely underground. We're trying to educate everyone on how to use these tools as quickly as possible.